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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg now I'm starting

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to think here Chris O'Brien bet the

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books stalking the herd is gonna be a

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pretty big look uh well I hope you're

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talking about big in sales it's

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definitely gonna be big in terms of its

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size and in the scope of it now the

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question I wonder about here is how come

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nobody else has been able to do this

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before Chris O'Brien tackled it is it

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because we're just so wedded to the

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belief that cattle mutilations it's just

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another part of UFO mystery maybe a more

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bizarre aspect well I think the problems

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are there's several issues at play here

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one is having access to all the data

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obviously most of these cases especially

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the hell years as I call them in the 70s

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this is prior to the internet and so in

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order to have all the cases and you know

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access to the databases you have to know

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the players who are involved back then

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collecting the data which fortunately I

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I'm one of the few people that that

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pretty much knows everybody who was

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involved in the field on the civilian

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investigator side so I have access to

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the databases and I'm the first one to

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really tackle the huge monumental task

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of collating all these databases

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together combining them with my own work

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which I've I've been researching the

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subject for over 20 years so it's really

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difficult unless you have you know

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access to the data to be able to to do

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anything that's objective that's that's

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comprehensive that's in-depth it's just

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a monumental task and there's only two

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or three people that would be able to do

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it and I'm just happen to be one of them

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so I'm you know I really want to throw

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this thing you know like mud throw it at

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the wall see what sticks and and really

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have give people an opportunity to make

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up their own minds about this thing

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instead of having to

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to be subjected to a single narrow view

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on the subject which has been running

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roughshod over all the other potential

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explanations over the years the aliens

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gathering genetic material from cows I'm

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sorry there's a lot more data out there

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to suggest something else is going on

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well I have kind of that same problem

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with abductions not that real things

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aren't happening but so many abductions

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how often do the aliens have to collect

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our genetic pool evidence before they

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have it and can't it be done in a less

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painful way yeah yeah that's that's a

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good analogy I there's so much about

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about all these paranormal subjects that

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that just doesn't make sense and the

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only way that you can really I think get

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to the bottom potentially get to the

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bottom of some of these mysteries is to

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look at all the data unfortunately when

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it comes to abductions much of this data

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so-called data is being retrieved

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through hypnotic regression which we've

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discussed many times on the show is a

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questionable investigative tool but when

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it comes to thousands of pounds of

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physical evidence lying out in a field

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that's it's a little different we're not

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a relying solely on the anecdotal

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evidence we're not relying on people's

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recollections you know we have police

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reports we have newspaper stories that

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they talk about about you know real

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physical evidence so it's a little

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easier I think for me in a sense that

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there are there's quite a bit of media

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coverage and obviously media coverage is

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not always accurate so you really have

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to go through all the case histories and

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look for commonalities and descriptions

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and in the abduction phenomenon it's

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just it's so much more difficult to do

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that and the problem is here is we get

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to very polarized area with abductions

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it's either/or with no room in between

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to explain the events you're either with

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me or you're against me there's no we

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don't know what's going on let's figure

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out what's going on let's come to some

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conclusions it's sooo polarized but

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that's the entire UFO field yeah well

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one thing people are going to get a

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education about our relationship with

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cattle that's one thing that you don't

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hear ever mentioned by other researchers

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in the unexplained livestock death

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phenomenon is how this may tie into our

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sacred relationship and now

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unceremonious relationship with cattle

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and this may be an important key sort of

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blind-spot that certain investigators

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and researchers out there have have have

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just you know it's a forest for the

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trees thing they're just not factoring

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in very important deeply held cultural

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connections with cattle so people are

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definitely going to get an education

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let's put a toe it certainly before I

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have my next steak dinner I want to read

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a few more chapters of the book yeah

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well local movie has agree choose to say

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you know get on the highest hill and if

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you can see you know if you can see

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where their food is coming from

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chances are it's got to be the best

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thing for you to consume grass-fed beef

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without hormones without antibiotics

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organic beef low is a little bit more

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expensive but boy it's sure a lot safer

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well of course you can't get the best

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prices over at Walmart or even get

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organic beef at whoa oh man don't say

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the W word and beef in the same sentence

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please that's that's very frightening

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well I don't buy beef at Walmart I go to

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Walmart I shop at Walmart but I don't

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get beef there what's wrong with the

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beef at Walmart or is that what's wrong

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with any mass-produced beef yeah yeah

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it's any any large chain anytime you see

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that you know that that beef on

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styrofoam wrapped in plastic chances are

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it comes from a feedlot it's pumped full

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of antibiotics it's pumped full of

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growth hormones

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it's these animals are live in horrific

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conditions it's very sad and highly

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inhumane the conditions that we do we

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find in the the big super industrial

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feed Lots now in this country these

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animals are unceremoniously dispatched

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in some of these fie thoughts up to four

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hundred an hour and

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industrialized beef protein I mean a

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single McDonald's hamburger could have

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up to a thousand different animals in it

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in McDonald's admits it could have up to

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a hundred but tests have been done and

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studies have shown that up to a thousand

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different animals could be in a single

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hamburger I personally feel that that's

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the e you're playing Russian roulette

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that's more homogenized than I would

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like I also worry about chicken it's

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probably the same deal you know because

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you have these big agribusiness

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companies producing all the stuff right

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and then pork as well look the Chinese

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operation in the United States

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Smithfield farms is now owned by the

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majority ownership by the Chinese okay

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you know what I think I'm going to

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starve to death or become a vegetarian

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no wait that's produced by a

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multi-million dollar corporation too and

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I'm sure they're doing all sorts of

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funky things with pesticides and pouring

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things on there too you know Santo is

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holding the entire agricultural business

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hostage with the the genetic modified

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organisms GMOs I'll tell you why

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no food ever I give it up you know what

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let's do a little time shifting right

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now okay well we can be like John

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Alexander's wife Victoria she survives

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on 600 calories of egg whites a day from

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what I understand ooh I don't like eggs

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I'll never survive under that hey let's

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do a little time shifting okay okay

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imagine for a moment we have an

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alternate timeline and we talk about

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alternate dimensions and everything and

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then of course alternate timelines is at

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the heart of the reboot for the Star

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Trek series new Star Trek movies are all

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about an alternate timeline

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what if Kennedy survived Dallas what if

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in November 1963 maybe he was wounded

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but he survived he lived on what would

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happen a lot of interesting speculation

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of course we're always obsessed with the

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Kennedy assassination no matter what

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what we're talking about here though is

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a new book by Bryce Zabel called

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surrounded by

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enemies what if Kennedy survived Dallas

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of course we know Bryce able from the

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book he wrote with Richard Dolan called

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after disclosure Richard Dolan will be

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back on the para casts probably in three

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weeks but next week we'll have : Andrews

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the crop circle researcher and Brad

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Steiger the following week how about

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he also Bryce Abel also did the dark

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skies TV series not the movie but the TV

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series so he's coming up next our friend

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Bryce Sabol author of surrounded by

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para cast calm the aliens are after us

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by the way we recorded a segment of this

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episode and never got set down don't ask

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me to explain that because we know that

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et is causing it and I hear him right

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now in the background so we'll get into

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them on the para cast with Gene and

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Chris we welcome back Bryce sable to the

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show he of course was co-producer of the

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dark skies TV series from the 1990s Emmy

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award-winning series that despite

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winning an Emmy it didn't win a renewal

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which is so sad but you can still get

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the DVD version of dark skies and I

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recommend it and we'll get into more of

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dark skies in a moment he also co-author

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with rich Dolan of AD after disclosure

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and also has a new book out that's going

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to be the main focus that is surrounded

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by enemies what if Kennedy survived

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Dallas and I think the first question

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asked Bryce Abel is what if Bryce Abel

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survived a second production called dark

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skies that he had nothing to do with

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what LG G and the fact that I'm on your

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your broadcast means that I have

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survived but it wasn't it wasn't

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Pleasant as you point out dark skies was

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an NBC series from the 90s its concept

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was that John Kennedy was assassinated

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because he was going to tell the truth

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about UFOs in his second term and the

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series after the pilot did not focus on

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John Kennedy it focused on the 1960s but

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that wove in youthful aa djegal facts

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and events etc abductions you name it

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and was a UFO television series on a

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major network where we produced

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twenty-two hours of it so a pretty

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substantial investment of time and money

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on the part of NBC and Sony to make that

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then about a year ago I started getting

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emails from all over the world from

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people congratulating me on selling my

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TV series as a feature film starring

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Keri Russell with the Assumption bidding

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that I must be rolling in cash by this

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point because of this this fantastic

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sale well the truth of the matter is

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they did make a movie called dark skies

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it is about alien abductions and it's

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not mine I didn't make a dime from it no

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one consulted me about it no one tried

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to no one tried to license it from me or

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Sony uh Dimension Films just made this

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film with that title on that subject on

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their own and that's the way it is it's

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it's a little troubling but that's

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that's Hollywood for you no way to

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trademark we're copyrighted that title

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well we're to generic no not really it's

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it's kind of it that would require a

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couple of lawyers in here to parse but

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the truth of the matter is when I heard

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about it I did go to the people who hold

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the license to dark skies in other words

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brent friedman and i co-created the

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series in the 90s but in order to get it

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produced we sold the the rights to it to

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what was in columbia television and is

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now sony and so I contacted Sony when I

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heard about what I considered to be this

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infraction on the part of Dimension

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Films and said hey we sort of have a

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mutual interest in protecting the dark

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skies name you guys can't be happy about

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what Dimension Films is doing and

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although they weren't happy about it

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what came back to me from Sony was well

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we do a lot of business with Harvey

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Weinstein and we really don't feel like

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pissing him off right now so they let it

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stand and there was just nothing I could

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do about it because I don't own it now

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on to the second part of your question

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there about titles and all that that is

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a difficult area you know one level

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you'll find people to say well you can't

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copyright the title well if that's the

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case then you and I should go make a

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movie called avatar two and people would

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assume that it was the sequel well you

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don't trade mark you can't trademark you

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can do things with names there are ways

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to go but it sort of depends on what

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form it was first expressed how long has

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passed a number of different things I

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mean let's face it the butler just had a

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big dust-up over that actually with

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Weinstein I think as well in this last

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year so you

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sort of need both parties to see the

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problem and come together on it and

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unfortunately I was merely the writer

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and the producer and the creator which

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probably wasn't sufficient to force

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anyone to do the right thing and Sony as

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I said chose to let it slide in the

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interest of keeping good relations with

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a Weinstein and dimension the movie was

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made I don't think it's been a huge

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success but it it bothers me because it

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has muddied the waters dark skies is a

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DVD series now that just came out

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recently where all the episodes are

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gathered together and people are seeing

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it for the first time you can get it

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right now on Amazon and it's fantastic

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the way it came together because when it

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was on television most people didn't

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have a DVR at that time and so they they

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would miss an episode and it was gone

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forever well now they're it's back and

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so I'm a little troubled that the dark

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skies brand name that I worked so hard

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to create has been muddied but that's

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Hollywood baby okay we have figures by

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the way from box office mojo dark skies

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supposedly really filmed on the cheap

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they claim that the production budget

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was three and a half million so I don't

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know what where do they give minimum

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wage to Keri Russell by the way I like

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Keri Russell she's a great actress I

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love her in the in the Americans the FX

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TV series where she plays this Soviet

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born spy she's just really good but any

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fantasy grossed worldwide twenty six

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million dollars now doesn't sound like a

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lot you know but they probably made a

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profit yes they did they they did and

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you tossed the numbers around they spent

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three and a half million it made you

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know in the 20s there's probably some

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profit in there also just just so your

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your listeners can appreciate this we

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spent I think we had a budget of two

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million approximately per episode and I

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think we spent like 44 million dollars

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on our episode so you get more bang for

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the buck going with the TV series right

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now so I encourage people to strike a

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blow for creative freedom by renting or

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buying the dark skies TV series and

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as well as the feature if you want to

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see the feature so have another dark

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controversy with art bell deciding to

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name his comeback show dark matter which

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is a direct take-off on dawn echoes long

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time running radio show dark matters so

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we have this kind of dark named Gabriel

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going on here

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you know I don't know the details of it

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but I can't imagine I can imagine that

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art and coast to coast aren't on the

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best terms either I gather they're not

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because I read some comments from Bell

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where he was disparaging the

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interviewing abilities of George Noory

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called him a lazy interviewer now we've

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said the same thing but you know what's

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the point George Noory has his show he

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seems like a decent guy I don't listen

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to the show he's entitled to make a

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living with there you go but I don't

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like the idea of what Art Bell did

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because he knows who Don Ecker is he

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knows Don Ecker Don Ecker was on coast

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to coast when art Bell was the host so

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how do I be ignorant to the fact that

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Don Ecker has four years hosted a radio

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show it's now online called dark matters

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it's all troubling I tend to think when

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you see a case like that that you're

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seeing the tip of the iceberg and there

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must be more iceberg underneath the

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water that we're not seeing I'll say

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that both coast-to-coast and art Bell

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have been good to me over the years an

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art Bell by the way is actually appears

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in dark skies

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playing William s Paley the head of CBS

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as a member of the majestic 12

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organizations so that's probably the

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most insidious thing I've ever done on

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television and art was the point man

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there you know what I'll let you live

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that down art Bell made a wonderful

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William Maus Paley in the dark skies

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episode and you know that was great okay

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the book that we're discussing in our

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next segment surrounded by enemies the

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author is Brice Sabol you're on with

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gene and Chris you're in the para cast

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

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into the para cast let me tell you what

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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

623
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probably won't hear and

624
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where else here that George Noory with

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Jean and Kris and the power cast Bryce

626
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table joins us the book takes an

627
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alternate timeline it's surrounded by

628
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:24,690
enemies what if Kennedy survived Alice

629
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:28,170
so we approach 50th anniversary of the

630
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Kennedy assassination

631
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so this endless fascination with Kennedy

632
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:35,970
the mystique all the things about it but

633
00:27:41,049 --> 00:27:38,610
also the assassination because in the

634
00:27:44,419 --> 00:27:41,059
minds of a lot of people it was never

635
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,429
fully resolved we have the Warren

636
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:45,840
Commission saying it was Lee Harvey

637
00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:46,710
Oswald

638
00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:48,750
we had a congressional committee and I

639
00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:50,460
guess the late 70s saying it was a

640
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:51,990
conspiracy but there was no follow-up

641
00:27:55,820 --> 00:27:53,940
you know typical of Congress they

642
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:55,830
dropped the ball but they always dropped

643
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,530
the ball so there you go so is that part

644
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:00,240
of it right there that inspired you to

645
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:01,980
write this the fact that we just can't

646
00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:04,530
stop thinking about what happened I

647
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:07,140
think that's true we can't stop thinking

648
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:08,520
about what happened those of a certain

649
00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:10,620
age you live through it probably

650
00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:12,750
remember being children and and when

651
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:15,390
Kennedy was assassinated remember that

652
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:16,890
this was the first time for many of them

653
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,690
they son adult cry it was a very

654
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:21,600
powerful time for all of us I think the

655
00:28:26,270 --> 00:28:24,720
50th anniversary also just happens to

656
00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:26,280
ring a bell for a lot of people it's

657
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:29,070
it's a passage of time that you can't

658
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:32,010
help but be affected by I personally as

659
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:34,679
a dramatist have always felt that the

660
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:37,170
passage of time allows us to to take a

661
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,240
look at historical characters in a

662
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:41,760
different way and to have some dramatic

663
00:28:46,340 --> 00:28:43,740
fun with that for example I don't think

664
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:46,350
anybody complains that they made Abraham

665
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:48,270
Lincoln vampire hunter other than for

666
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:51,510
creative reasons we'll say not for

667
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:54,570
creative reasons ok well but I mean we

668
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:56,820
Abraham Lincoln has receded far enough

669
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:58,290
in history that he can become a

670
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:00,600
character in almost anything and I think

671
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:02,490
the same is happening to John Kennedy

672
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:04,710
certainly I felt that when I did dark

673
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:07,620
skies that John Kennedy was a historical

674
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:09,450
character who could be blended into

675
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:12,450
dramatic content and this book

676
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,890
surrounded by enemies

677
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:16,140
what if Kennedy survived Dallas just to

678
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:18,510
point out is a novel that is not a none

679
00:29:22,790 --> 00:29:20,760
fiction book although there is a great

680
00:29:24,690 --> 00:29:22,800
deal of research that I have done over

681
00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:24,700
the years put into it and I

682
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:26,920
I think that what I've tried to do is

683
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:30,460
give form to that feeling that that

684
00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:31,630
people have had over the years they

685
00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:33,580
always wonder well what if he hadn't

686
00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:35,500
been cut down in the prime mother's life

687
00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:37,480
and career I mean after all this was a a

688
00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:41,320
handsome telegenic powerful charismatic

689
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:44,020
person and and he he wasn't even into

690
00:29:47,790 --> 00:29:45,790
his second term and then he was taken

691
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:47,800
away and people wonder well what would

692
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,110
have happened and I've noticed over the

693
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:52,720
years that the what-if factor breaks

694
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:54,280
down into a couple of things - neither

695
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,010
one was what interested me the first one

696
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,440
is the rose-colored glasses look which

697
00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:02,080
is if Kennedy hadn't died oh my god

698
00:30:05,790 --> 00:30:03,430
everything would have been better we

699
00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:05,800
wouldn't have had any counterculture

700
00:30:10,260 --> 00:30:08,440
demonstrations and Vietnam wouldn't have

701
00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:10,270
happened and the civil rights bill would

702
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:11,800
have been passed immediately and it

703
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:12,700
would have been the Age of Aquarius

704
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:15,730
basically and then the other breaks down

705
00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:18,010
into the time travel people going back

706
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:21,160
in time to save JFK the most recent

707
00:30:25,710 --> 00:30:22,870
practitioner of that uh Stephen King

708
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:25,720
with his 900 plus page book of which

709
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:27,490
about three pages are what would happen

710
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:29,950
if JFK had survived I decided to make a

711
00:30:34,410 --> 00:30:31,930
whole meal of it and to do it with a

712
00:30:36,750 --> 00:30:34,420
straight face so what I've written in

713
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:36,760
surrounded by enemies is a book that in

714
00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:39,720
essence is a 50th anniversary

715
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:42,700
journalistic telling of how the world

716
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:45,520
changed from the day that Kennedy didn't

717
00:30:50,790 --> 00:30:48,340
die and what what really would have

718
00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:50,800
happened and I think that well I'll just

719
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:51,550
put it this way

720
00:30:56,550 --> 00:30:53,770
John Kennedy in his life was probably

721
00:30:59,460 --> 00:30:56,560
one headline away from disaster for for

722
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:59,470
much of his presidency and I kind of run

723
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:01,480
with that well I think as far as the

724
00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:04,240
civil rights law is concerned Kennedy

725
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:06,870
didn't have the arm-twisting abilities

726
00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:10,240
that LBJ did LBJ knew where all the

727
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:12,820
bodies were buried so when he told his

728
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:14,710
fellow legislators or his former

729
00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:17,020
colleagues to do this that or the other

730
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:19,390
thing he had the complete list of the

731
00:31:23,610 --> 00:31:21,850
problems that would expose them that's

732
00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:23,620
true but on the other hand I'm not sure

733
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:26,860
that that was why LBJ was able to be so

734
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:28,150
successful with the civil rights

735
00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:30,700
legislation as much as in our timeline

736
00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:34,360
John Kennedy was a martyr and there was

737
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:36,790
a great national will to do something

738
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:38,530
you know to honor him too

739
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:42,330
complete his legislative package to

740
00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:45,370
everything from past attacks cut to to

741
00:31:49,170 --> 00:31:47,620
the civil rights legislation so even

742
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:49,180
though Lyndon Johnson was one of the

743
00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:51,250
greatest armed twisters of all time in

744
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:54,160
the congressional matter of thinking he

745
00:31:58,290 --> 00:31:56,200
also had a powerful wind at his back

746
00:32:00,390 --> 00:31:58,300
which was the martyred president which

747
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:00,400
by the way is the essence of surrounded

748
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:02,650
by enemies which is if Kennedy didn't

749
00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:04,360
die he wouldn't have been a martyr he

750
00:32:07,890 --> 00:32:06,400
would have been a mere mortal and the

751
00:32:09,530 --> 00:32:07,900
history that would have been written in

752
00:32:13,170 --> 00:32:09,540
the aftermath of a failed assassination

753
00:32:14,790 --> 00:32:13,180
attempt in Dallas uh would not have been

754
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:14,800
about a martyr but would have been about

755
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:17,260
a real flesh-and-blood a human being who

756
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:19,750
was trying to get a second term the

757
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:21,730
other thing to consider here too is we

758
00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:24,580
know now but we didn't know then is John

759
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:26,800
Kennedy may have looked the picture of

760
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:29,070
health but he was decidedly otherwise

761
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:32,110
absolutely I I think that what has come

762
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:35,170
out in a drip drip drip over the last 50

763
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:37,630
years has been a sense that John Kennedy

764
00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:41,830
had a secret a private life and a secret

765
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:45,550
professional life both and we've gotten

766
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:48,490
used to these revelations a little bit

767
00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:51,310
at a time and in in my book for example

768
00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:53,380
surrounded by enemies I don't do it a

769
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:55,540
little bit at a time I would say that in

770
00:32:59,640 --> 00:32:57,490
the aftermath the backwash of the failed

771
00:33:01,770 --> 00:32:59,650
assassination attempt it's very likely

772
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:01,780
that what dripped out over fifty years

773
00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:03,910
in our timeline might have come crashing

774
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:05,980
out in a year in his timeline with

775
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:07,960
different effects but to the point of

776
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:10,000
the medical yes absolutely John Kennedy

777
00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:12,850
literally had the world convinced that

778
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:15,580
he was an extremely healthy person he

779
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:17,530
was always suntan he talked about

780
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:19,690
national vigor and his own personal

781
00:33:23,730 --> 00:33:21,310
vigor was seen in that touch football

782
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:23,740
playing and and even the president's

783
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:26,740
physical fitness or situation all that

784
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:28,930
stuff was designed to make him look like

785
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:32,410
a healthy vital individual and certainly

786
00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:34,420
in mind and spirit II was but he had

787
00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:36,760
terrible medical problems had from his

788
00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:39,430
birth and and and literally had been

789
00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:41,320
given last rites by the Catholic Church

790
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:43,960
I believe four times before he even

791
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:46,570
became president so he had some things

792
00:33:50,370 --> 00:33:48,490
that he was not disclosing to the

793
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:50,380
American public about his medical

794
00:33:53,550 --> 00:33:51,970
condition these days

795
00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:53,560
that would be impossible but he got away

796
00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:56,590
with a lot back then specifically what

797
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,290
else could have crippled possibly even

798
00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:00,880
his ability to run for a second term

799
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:03,820
well he had Addison's disease which

800
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:05,710
certainly made a you know a big

801
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:08,860
difference in how he in the medical

802
00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:11,170
conditions that he had to live with and

803
00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:13,150
what medicine he took as a response to

804
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:13,480
that

805
00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:16,960
but he was also getting injections from

806
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:21,190
dr. max Jacobson who many people know

807
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:23,470
this dr. feelgood the same guy that gave

808
00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:26,110
those injections to Elvis Presley was

809
00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:28,390
also giving them to John Kennedy and his

810
00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:34,180
wife at plus he just had so many

811
00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:36,190
different things I mean he he suffered

812
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:38,920
from stomach colon and prostate problems

813
00:34:42,870 --> 00:34:41,290
he had a fevers he had occasional

814
00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:42,880
dehydration he had abscesses

815
00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:45,880
sleeplessness high cholesterol I mean he

816
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:47,830
had these adrenal ailments that came

817
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from Addison's disease terribly trashed

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back as well

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Ellis back had been and but his back was

820
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probably trashed we were led to believe

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that that was more like a war injury but

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00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:01,150
in reality it was probably the result of

823
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:04,600
the Addison's disease and and and how

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00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:07,570
that had affected his back and how

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00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:10,120
operations had had to be done and and

826
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with with whatever success I mean on the

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day that John Kennedy actually died he

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was wearing a very restrictive shoulder

829
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to groin brace that sort of held him

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upright so even when he was shot

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the first time he was available to be

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shot the second time because he didn't

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slump he was pretty much held rigid and

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erect by the the back brace but but

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again the question really is are you

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supposed to disclose these things when

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you're president the answer is yes and

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why because it might affect your ability

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to conduct your your policies in office

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and certainly you'd want to know if the

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president the United States was honest

842
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on any given medication during the Cuban

843
00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:53,890
Missile Crisis I would think thinking

844
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that he might be on something with

845
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,070
amphetamines would be something that the

846
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public probably has a right to know the

847
00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:01,300
question is here just how clear was he

848
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and the second question I raised here

849
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with all that jury

850
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to prop this guy up medically physically

851
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,250
would he have even running for a second

852
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term or maybe let Bobby do it no I'm

853
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going on behind the scenes and that's

854
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:20,340
another issue we have to talk about in

855
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our next segment I look forward to it

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it's fascinating where we can go with

857
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this and what would happen then we can

858
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talk of course about his legislative

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achievements and how that might have

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worked out if we didn't have the martyr

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issue the book is called surrounded by

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enemies what if Kennedy survived Dallas

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961
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you are listening to the podcast there's

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no truth to the rumor that Bryce Abel

963
00:41:16,940 --> 00:41:16,020
only comes on this show to say the para

964
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:16,950
calves

965
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:18,900
you know what I don't do it that good

966
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:20,970
but I but I do like to do it and that's

967
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why I'm here you guys are great guys

968
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:25,529
though don't get me wrong but saying the

969
00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:28,680
para cast is very fun basically the two

970
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,329
best people who do it other than Chris

971
00:41:34,099 --> 00:41:33,599
of course - best people are you and Nick

972
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:34,109
Redfern

973
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:37,020
I don't even pretend to be in that crowd

974
00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:39,089
but I'm thankful to be included in any

975
00:41:43,579 --> 00:41:41,460
crowd with those names okay the question

976
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:43,589
being here that I posed in our previous

977
00:41:49,069 --> 00:41:47,099
segment we have President Kennedy being

978
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:49,079
propped up medically and physically

979
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:50,910
because of Addison's disease and all the

980
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:52,950
other stuff that's going on would he

981
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:55,140
have even been healthy enough to get a

982
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:57,240
second term or even seek a second term I

983
00:42:00,769 --> 00:41:59,400
think the answer was it clear yes and

984
00:42:02,539 --> 00:42:00,779
for that we don't have to go to my

985
00:42:05,539 --> 00:42:02,549
alternative history timeline but to the

986
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:05,549
real timeline John Kennedy was clearly

987
00:42:10,579 --> 00:42:08,339
able to conduct himself properly in the

988
00:42:12,799 --> 00:42:10,589
office and he had every intention of

989
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:12,809
running for election he had had many

990
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,730
meetings about who he thought he was

991
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:16,319
going to run against in this case he

992
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:17,700
thought it would be very Goldwater

993
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:21,060
he was laying out his reelection plans

994
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:23,610
he totally intended to run there was a

995
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:25,020
question whether he would have kept

996
00:42:30,350 --> 00:42:27,990
Lyndon Johnson on the ticket or not I

997
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:30,360
think it's possible that had Kennedy

998
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:33,000
been reelected and served out his term

999
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:36,450
his second term he would have found

1000
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:39,690
himself increasingly unable to distance

1001
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:41,940
the public's knowledge of some of his

1002
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:44,610
medical issues over time and that's

1003
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:46,740
certainly a possibility but no he was

1004
00:42:54,290 --> 00:42:50,970
going for it he probably was in a great

1005
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:54,300
position to be elected again although I

1006
00:42:59,240 --> 00:42:56,970
will say they were terribly worried in

1007
00:43:02,270 --> 00:42:59,250
the White House about his reelection

1008
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:02,280
campaign about possibilities because

1009
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:04,650
they realized that historically they

1010
00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:06,540
were about to lose the entire south and

1011
00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:09,600
they were concerned that that would tip

1012
00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:12,060
the balance of the electoral college to

1013
00:43:17,690 --> 00:43:14,580
the Republican nominee so he didn't

1014
00:43:19,610 --> 00:43:17,700
think he had a cakewalk he probably you

1015
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,620
know could have won easily but but

1016
00:43:23,330 --> 00:43:21,660
probably not as easily as Lyndon Johnson

1017
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:23,340
did and in our timeline because let's

1018
00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:26,570
face it again Lyndon Johnson was

1019
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:28,830
receiving the benefit of the martyred

1020
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:30,930
president whose position he had just

1021
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:34,110
taken ok surrounded by enemies who do

1022
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:36,570
you list as his enemies whom do you

1023
00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:38,910
blame for the attempted assassination

1024
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:41,550
well I'll tell you something uh first of

1025
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:44,090
all I would love for your listeners to

1026
00:43:48,380 --> 00:43:46,830
find out the whole story by reading the

1027
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:48,390
book themselves but I will tell you this

1028
00:43:56,570 --> 00:43:53,040
my premise is that on November 23rd 1963

1029
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:56,580
if JFK had survived an attempt on his

1030
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,440
life and let's face it he would have

1031
00:44:02,450 --> 00:44:00,480
woken up the day after and realized

1032
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:02,460
someone had tried to execute him on a

1033
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:05,490
public street in broad daylight that's a

1034
00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:07,500
pretty sobering thing for any individual

1035
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:10,320
to reach as a conclusion and he and his

1036
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:11,940
brother Bobby Kennedy would have

1037
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,850
probably huddled immediately to discuss

1038
00:44:20,180 --> 00:44:17,520
who might have been behind it and my

1039
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:20,190
contention is Jack and Bobby Kennedy

1040
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:22,410
would probably have become the nation's

1041
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:24,780
first conspiracy theorists because they

1042
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:27,570
more than anybody would have known how

1043
00:44:31,310 --> 00:44:30,090
many people wished John Kennedy ill how

1044
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:31,320
many people

1045
00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:33,330
would like to have seen him dead or at

1046
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,030
least out of office and so to answer

1047
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,460
your question in surrounded by enemies

1048
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:41,520
the Kennedys and their team get together

1049
00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:44,940
to try to decide who might be behind it

1050
00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:47,820
and I will I'll just run some of the

1051
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:50,190
bases I mean clearly they would have

1052
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:51,690
been a little worried about the CIA

1053
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:53,670
because after the Bay of Pigs Kennedy

1054
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:56,250
had said he wanted to smash the

1055
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,110
organization and scatter it to the wind

1056
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:00,780
it terrible relations with the CIA he

1057
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:02,520
didn't have good relations with the FBI

1058
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,250
and J Edgar Hoover he probably would

1059
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:06,960
have been somewhat suspicious of the

1060
00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:09,450
Secret Service who clearly booted their

1061
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,030
assignment in Dallas there were the

1062
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:14,400
usual international suspects of the

1063
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:17,970
Soviet Union but also Castro who the

1064
00:45:22,210 --> 00:45:19,500
Kennedy administration had been trying

1065
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:22,220
to kill and there were also the pro and

1066
00:45:27,110 --> 00:45:25,050
anti-castro Cubans everybody had a

1067
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:27,120
problem with JFK and the Cuban community

1068
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,690
it seemed like at that time and the US

1069
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:32,880
military wasn't happy with JFK they

1070
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:35,670
thought that JFK actually encouraged the

1071
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:37,560
making of seven days in May the movie

1072
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:40,110
about a coup in the United States by the

1073
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:41,700
military because he was worried it could

1074
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:43,890
happen to him so I think on November

1075
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:45,960
23rd the Kennedy administration would

1076
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,330
have had one hell of a meeting where

1077
00:45:52,580 --> 00:45:50,640
they tried to figure out who might have

1078
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:52,590
been behind it so that's I guess that's

1079
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,570
how I would answer that now with a

1080
00:45:58,940 --> 00:45:56,400
publicized attempt at assassination

1081
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,950
wouldn't that also have helped a

1082
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:00,720
situation going forward in terms of

1083
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:04,140
legislation I have a slightly different

1084
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:06,900
view of that I I think that what would

1085
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:09,780
have happened is that investigations

1086
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:11,220
would still have been launched I mean

1087
00:46:15,110 --> 00:46:13,260
this is a rock in the pool I mean think

1088
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:15,120
about it let's let's just think about it

1089
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:17,670
the American people wake up with John

1090
00:46:22,070 --> 00:46:20,370
Kennedy on November 23rd and they're

1091
00:46:23,810 --> 00:46:22,080
saying someone tried to execute the

1092
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,820
president in broad daylight on a public

1093
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:25,680
street that has a way of focusing your

1094
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:27,630
attention on things and you want answers

1095
00:46:31,490 --> 00:46:29,610
well how do you get answers you got to

1096
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:31,500
have investigations so the same thing

1097
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:32,910
that happened in our time line would

1098
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:34,290
have happened when John Kennedy would

1099
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:36,330
have been sitting in office and they

1100
00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:38,310
would have been discussing who should be

1101
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:39,750
investigating this and a lot of people

1102
00:46:43,610 --> 00:46:41,550
would have wanted to investigated the

1103
00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:43,620
Dallas people would have said hey this

1104
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:45,120
is a local hummus you

1105
00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:47,310
if other people were dead they'd say it

1106
00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:49,080
was an attempted murder of the president

1107
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:51,270
but we treat it as an attempted homicide

1108
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:54,200
so there's Dallas there's also the FBI

1109
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:56,490
investigations and of course Hoover was

1110
00:47:00,110 --> 00:46:58,920
no friend of the Kennedys Congress would

1111
00:47:02,570 --> 00:47:00,120
have been all over this trying to

1112
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:02,580
investigate it and it may very well be

1113
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:04,020
that the White House would have thought

1114
00:47:08,060 --> 00:47:06,060
maybe we should investigate it so that

1115
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:08,070
we can sort of put a stop to some of

1116
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:09,930
these other investigations so the thing

1117
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:12,390
about investigations is they're a little

1118
00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:14,610
dangerous because you turn over one Rock

1119
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,200
and you find something that you didn't

1120
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:18,240
expect and sometimes in an investigation

1121
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:21,390
you find things that have nothing to do

1122
00:47:25,820 --> 00:47:23,700
with the original investigation and you

1123
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:25,830
have to follow those and they lead to

1124
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:28,680
their own conflicts so your question is

1125
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:30,990
a good one in that it you do kind of

1126
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,760
think well hey people would have just

1127
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:35,040
felt bad for him but I think it would

1128
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:36,510
have gone in a slightly different

1129
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:38,040
direction I think there had been massive

1130
00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:40,110
goodwill but remember we'd be going into

1131
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:43,470
Thanksgiving and Christmas of 63 and it

1132
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:45,090
that would be not the time to be passing

1133
00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:46,740
legislation in any way there but there'd

1134
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,990
be a big hullabaloo about finding out

1135
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,460
who was behind it you'd still have Lee

1136
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,440
Harvey Oswald running around there but

1137
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:55,200
you'd have also people asking who else

1138
00:47:59,060 --> 00:47:56,910
might have been involved because it was

1139
00:48:01,970 --> 00:47:59,070
a very live question in our own timeline

1140
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:01,980
as to whether he acted alone or not it

1141
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:02,910
certainly would have been in my

1142
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:06,420
alternate timeline so therefore we kind

1143
00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:08,370
of forget about this we have the holiday

1144
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:09,980
cheer the following year

1145
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:12,300
Kennedy is obviously going to want to

1146
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:16,110
move on his legislative agenda so how

1147
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:19,110
does it fare as you say we have the

1148
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:21,720
martyr factor we had LBJ being a wizard

1149
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:24,810
and whipping legislators together with

1150
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:27,210
the Kennedys have relied on LBJ for that

1151
00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:30,720
well I let me back up a little bit i I

1152
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:35,190
think that it's quite possible that yes

1153
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:36,660
you would have had a legislative agenda

1154
00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:39,450
but remember 1964 was an election year

1155
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:42,030
and election years do not tend to be the

1156
00:48:47,570 --> 00:48:44,940
years that sitting presidents get to

1157
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,580
inactive legislative agendas they're

1158
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:49,920
looking for a victory so that they can

1159
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,900
come back with a mandate and and talk

1160
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:54,240
about it so I think 64 might have been a

1161
00:48:57,180 --> 00:48:56,220
period of the the shadows on the

1162
00:49:00,540 --> 00:48:57,190
twilight zone

1163
00:49:02,819 --> 00:49:00,550
we're between the assassination attempt

1164
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,829
and in any attempt to getting back to

1165
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:04,960
normalcy it would have been a discussion

1166
00:49:11,069 --> 00:49:08,290
of you know of the election and and

1167
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:11,079
clearly in in surrounded by enemies for

1168
00:49:16,859 --> 00:49:14,410
example even the idea of the

1169
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,869
assassination attempt in Dallas becomes

1170
00:49:21,059 --> 00:49:19,359
a bit of an issue between Kennedy and

1171
00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:21,069
Goldwater and and you know there's a lot

1172
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,420
of things I've tried to put into the

1173
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,160
book that if you think about him as you

1174
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:26,079
read um you say you know that that might

1175
00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:27,790
really have happened that way and I

1176
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:29,800
think that is what I'm going for if I

1177
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:31,450
could just for one minute also just say

1178
00:49:37,470 --> 00:49:34,450
this is not something I woke up on you

1179
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:37,480
know January 1st of 2013 and said man

1180
00:49:41,309 --> 00:49:39,670
there's 50th anniversary come up I

1181
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,319
better better take advantage of this

1182
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:43,599
I've been working on this thing for 10

1183
00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:46,930
years and and I've been putting all my

1184
00:49:50,819 --> 00:49:48,550
energy into trying to figure out how to

1185
00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:50,829
tell this story successfully so it's

1186
00:49:54,930 --> 00:49:52,900
been quite a quite a journey for myself

1187
00:49:57,540 --> 00:49:54,940
this could be very complicated trying to

1188
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:57,550
put this together so basically upset

1189
00:50:04,109 --> 00:50:01,619
nobody for 1964 get reelected and use

1190
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:04,119
1965 to push through or begin to push

1191
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:05,890
through his legislation but at the end

1192
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:07,930
of the day and we have a minute

1193
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:09,880
before we break for our next segment at

1194
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:13,210
the end of the day would we have seen a

1195
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:16,390
Civil Rights Act Medicare all the great

1196
00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:18,910
achievements had Kennedy survived and

1197
00:50:23,010 --> 00:50:20,680
maybe you can start painting the picture

1198
00:50:25,290 --> 00:50:23,020
of what you expect right now and we'll

1199
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:25,300
pick it up in another well and the other

1200
00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:27,310
thing I want to caution us against I

1201
00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:28,780
mean part of the fun of reading

1202
00:50:32,460 --> 00:50:31,060
surrounded by enemies is just seeing you

1203
00:50:35,490 --> 00:50:32,470
know how these things would have

1204
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,500
potentially laid out but but I what I'd

1205
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:37,859
rather put out as the answer to the

1206
00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:40,510
legislative agenda issue is this if

1207
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,520
people trying to execute a guy in broad

1208
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,800
daylight on a public street and then

1209
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,200
failed then what would happen the people

1210
00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:49,359
who were being shot at in this case John

1211
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:51,220
Kennedy would say I got to do a better

1212
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:53,290
job of protecting myself I need to

1213
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:55,569
increase security so now I got security

1214
00:50:58,890 --> 00:50:56,950
around the President of the United

1215
00:51:01,500 --> 00:50:58,900
States that you didn't have before in

1216
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,510
Dallas which makes him physically safer

1217
00:51:04,650 --> 00:51:03,040
I mean obviously everybody in the

1218
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:04,660
administration would have been paranoid

1219
00:51:09,059 --> 00:51:07,089
about protecting his personal safety if

1220
00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:09,069
there were conspirators and I believe

1221
00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:12,220
there were these people would have

1222
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:14,380
they wouldn't have just given up okay we

1223
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:16,150
we shot at the guy and we missed but

1224
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:18,310
they defend to cover their tracks they'd

1225
00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:19,750
have had to say what are we gonna do

1226
00:51:22,829 --> 00:51:21,550
next I'll tell you what we're gonna do

1227
00:51:24,450 --> 00:51:22,839
next we're gonna have this announcement

1228
00:51:26,430 --> 00:51:24,460
all right and then we'll find out what

1229
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:26,440
those conspirators might have done

1230
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:28,630
Brice Sabol joins Jeanne and Christian

1231
00:51:38,109 --> 00:51:31,060
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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1274
00:54:15,010 --> 00:54:12,920
here's Jane Steinberg Gina and Chris and

1275
00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:15,020
the para cast joined by Bryce Abel what

1276
00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:18,590
if Kennedy had survived he's got enemies

1277
00:54:23,290 --> 00:54:21,260
who tried to kill him he's trying to get

1278
00:54:26,020 --> 00:54:23,300
reelected he's got this legislative

1279
00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:26,030
agenda he's not having a good time he's

1280
00:54:30,609 --> 00:54:27,140
also not very well

1281
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:30,619
all this conspiring to what end Bryce

1282
00:54:35,710 --> 00:54:33,350
yeah I think that the the Kennedy

1283
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,720
administration would have battened down

1284
00:54:39,010 --> 00:54:37,520
the hatches a little bit from a security

1285
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:39,020
point of view I mean I think security

1286
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,390
would have been a very prominent part of

1287
00:54:47,530 --> 00:54:44,000
every decision including how they fought

1288
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:47,540
the 1964 election but going back to the

1289
00:54:52,540 --> 00:54:50,180
issue of the conspirators somebody put

1290
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:52,550
in motion an assassination attempt on

1291
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:54,410
the president in this alternative

1292
00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:56,570
timeline it fails does that mean they

1293
00:55:02,020 --> 00:54:58,750
give up no it means they continue to

1294
00:55:03,490 --> 00:55:02,030
cover up their tracks and try to make

1295
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:03,500
sure that they themselves are not held

1296
00:55:06,609 --> 00:55:05,090
accountable but that doesn't mean they

1297
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:06,619
give up on John Kennedy but I would

1298
00:55:12,099 --> 00:55:10,250
submit you might look to to think of it

1299
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:12,109
this way you may not be able to

1300
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:14,570
assassinate a man physically but there

1301
00:55:18,910 --> 00:55:16,310
are other ways to assassinate a person

1302
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:18,920
we've got the the phrase character

1303
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:20,510
assassination I think that's a pretty

1304
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:22,609
valid way to look at this and the other

1305
00:55:28,270 --> 00:55:26,170
thing about that is that John Kennedy

1306
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:28,280
more than most presidents

1307
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,490
I thank have been living a secret life

1308
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:34,640
in both personal and professional ways

1309
00:55:41,770 --> 00:55:38,330
that would have given his enemies his

1310
00:55:45,099 --> 00:55:41,780
mortal enemies the opportunity to do him

1311
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:45,109
harm with his own behavior his own risky

1312
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:46,820
behavior could have been used against

1313
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,310
him and that's kind of a world that I

1314
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:52,400
explore in in depth and surrounded by

1315
00:55:55,540 --> 00:55:54,170
enemies which by the way people want to

1316
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:55,550
know more about it they can go to

1317
00:56:00,220 --> 00:55:58,010
surrounded by enemies calm and check

1318
00:56:03,940 --> 00:56:00,230
that out we would have become his new

1319
00:56:05,609 --> 00:56:03,950
his new secret lover of course of the

1320
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:05,619
Marilyn Monroe

1321
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:08,530
relationship and and a fair

1322
00:56:13,650 --> 00:56:10,930
it's fairly well known about now and

1323
00:56:15,660 --> 00:56:13,660
there's some question whether there were

1324
00:56:17,550 --> 00:56:15,670
other Affairs going on where do you come

1325
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:17,560
down on that particular part of his his

1326
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,390
life would he have been able to continue

1327
00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:22,480
having these these secret liaisons with

1328
00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:26,080
movie stars and and you know office

1329
00:56:28,380 --> 00:56:27,160
workers that sort of thing

1330
00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:28,390
well it's a good question Chris and

1331
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:29,860
whether he continued it or not the

1332
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,040
answer is I don't think it's a much of a

1333
00:56:36,930 --> 00:56:34,960
debate anymore whether whether he had

1334
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:36,940
been doing this I mean I think it's very

1335
00:56:43,290 --> 00:56:40,110
well established that he had many many

1336
00:56:45,390 --> 00:56:43,300
different lovers and that his marriage

1337
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:45,400
was certainly whether Jackie wanted it

1338
00:56:49,830 --> 00:56:46,750
to be an open marriage or not he

1339
00:56:51,780 --> 00:56:49,840
certainly acted as if it was it isn't

1340
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:51,790
just Marilyn Monroe I mean I think if

1341
00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:53,350
you started counting up the number of

1342
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:55,630
women that Jack Kennedy slept with its

1343
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,440
many many many and and I wouldn't say

1344
00:57:02,550 --> 00:57:00,880
that all of them you know person's

1345
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:02,560
private life I think we're all pretty

1346
00:57:07,050 --> 00:57:05,050
pretty willing to say that's that's his

1347
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:07,060
life it's hypocrisy that bothers us

1348
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:09,730
sometimes and also I think we don't

1349
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:12,490
really care about who he might have been

1350
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:14,250
sleeping with or wasn't sleeping with

1351
00:57:18,810 --> 00:57:16,630
prior to becoming president but when

1352
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:18,820
you're president and you're having

1353
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:20,770
prostitutes brought into the White House

1354
00:57:26,550 --> 00:57:24,490
or when you're sleeping with multiple of

1355
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:26,560
the White House interns or when you're

1356
00:57:32,460 --> 00:57:28,990
having movie stars or mobster

1357
00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:32,470
girlfriends or Eastern European women

1358
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:34,150
who might be spies brought into the

1359
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:37,090
White House using people that work for

1360
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,970
the White House to to facilitate and

1361
00:57:43,260 --> 00:57:41,920
enable this behavior and then you tell

1362
00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:43,270
the Secret Service that they're not

1363
00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:44,950
allowed to even check the purses of

1364
00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:46,870
these people who were being brought to

1365
00:57:52,580 --> 00:57:49,960
see the president I think that that it

1366
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:52,590
becomes a matter of public concern

1367
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,510
because these people certainly at the

1368
00:57:59,940 --> 00:57:58,000
very minimum expose the President to

1369
00:58:02,280 --> 00:57:59,950
blackmail but they could also kill him

1370
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,290
who's to say there's not a poisoned

1371
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:04,960
hypodermic in one of those purses I mean

1372
00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:08,410
a lot of issues really bother the Secret

1373
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:11,080
Service about about this behavior they

1374
00:58:14,850 --> 00:58:12,880
were concerned that they weren't able to

1375
00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:14,860
protect the president very well now

1376
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:16,360
granted they didn't do a very good job

1377
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:19,270
in Dallas but they certainly weren't

1378
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:20,710
being allowed by the President himself

1379
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:22,330
to do a very good job in term

1380
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:24,190
of the people that were the strangers if

1381
00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:25,330
you will that were being brought into

1382
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:27,790
the White House so listen he had a lot

1383
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:30,550
to account for in terms of the number of

1384
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:32,890
women and I don't say that the number of

1385
00:58:37,340 --> 00:58:35,050
women is problem per se although I think

1386
00:58:40,260 --> 00:58:37,350
the morality of the time would have been

1387
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:40,270
absurdly shocked by the numbers of women

1388
00:58:44,820 --> 00:58:42,310
particularly since the nation love

1389
00:58:46,530 --> 00:58:44,830
Jackie Kennedy and would have felt if

1390
00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:46,540
they'd heard about this they would have

1391
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:49,390
felt very strongly that he'd done her

1392
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:51,490
wrong I get the impression what you're

1393
00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:53,890
telling me without doing any spoilers on

1394
00:58:58,740 --> 00:58:56,380
the book very much that there'd be a lot

1395
00:59:00,330 --> 00:58:58,750
of damage control or efforts of damage

1396
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:00,340
control to keep things from happening

1397
00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:03,370
but that may have made a pretty make

1398
00:59:07,620 --> 00:59:05,620
second term wouldn't it yeah I think it

1399
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:07,630
would and and you know I appreciate your

1400
00:59:12,090 --> 00:59:10,480
there is a there's a bit of spoiler in

1401
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:12,100
that I do want people to really enjoy

1402
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this book and I want them to see that

1403
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,450
the logic of certain things that might

1404
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:18,400
have happened let me respond to what you

1405
00:59:22,650 --> 00:59:20,650
just said by telling a personal anecdote

1406
00:59:25,530 --> 00:59:22,660
when I said that I've been working on

1407
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:25,540
this this book this project for over 10

1408
00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:28,090
years when I first got the idea it was

1409
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:31,270
about 2003 and and one of the things

1410
00:59:36,450 --> 00:59:34,480
that had sort of made me considered this

1411
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:36,460
is when I first got into the television

1412
00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:41,170
business I had a mentor who and I'm not

1413
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:42,760
gonna bring up his name right now but it

1414
00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:44,650
was his last television series that he

1415
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,600
worked on and it was my first television

1416
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:48,640
series and so he kind of told me how to

1417
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:50,770
how to produce the TV series and he was

1418
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:53,370
a great guy and a wonderful friend and

1419
00:59:59,100 --> 00:59:56,950
he actually had partied with the Rat

1420
01:00:01,350 --> 00:59:59,110
Pack he had partied with JFK he had

1421
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:01,360
partied with all these guys he was at

1422
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:04,330
parties told me one story once that kind

1423
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:05,950
of blew me away he was at a party where

1424
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:08,770
it was during the Democratic National

1425
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:11,290
Convention of 1960 where JFK had just

1426
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:12,670
been nominated or is about to be

1427
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:15,520
nominated Marilyn came to a party at

1428
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:17,890
Peter Lawford's house JFK was there and

1429
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:20,410
Marilyn and JFK disappeared into the

1430
01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:22,330
back they came back she was wearing his

1431
01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:25,480
shirt and this was hours later and

1432
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:27,460
obviously they you know whatever they

1433
01:00:32,490 --> 01:00:30,090
were doing and and JFK was actually I

1434
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:32,500
you know I well you know what I won't go

1435
01:00:35,970 --> 01:00:34,210
any further I don't want to compromise

1436
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:35,980
the story too much but he

1437
01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:38,290
told me things about his the behavior

1438
01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:40,630
that he observed with JFK that I said

1439
01:00:46,530 --> 01:00:44,500
damn if this was public I can't see how

1440
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:46,540
this would not be a huge problem for the

1441
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:48,790
man so that's kind of where I started to

1442
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:50,770
think about this thing and then I'd

1443
01:00:54,420 --> 01:00:52,450
worked out the story and I brought it to

1444
01:00:56,339 --> 01:00:54,430
my friend and said what do you think of

1445
01:00:59,339 --> 01:00:56,349
this and he said oh please don't I don't

1446
01:01:00,780 --> 01:00:59,349
do this and I said why and he said JFK

1447
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:00,790
was a great guy you don't want to do

1448
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:02,290
this you don't want to talk about this

1449
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:05,410
stuff and my friend died last year sadly

1450
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:09,609
and I felt like I waited long enough not

1451
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:12,250
to do it out of deference to his his

1452
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:14,650
feelings and and now I felt like with

1453
01:01:18,990 --> 01:01:16,690
the 50th anniversary coming up it would

1454
01:01:22,650 --> 01:01:19,000
be okay to talk about it but I I do

1455
01:01:27,150 --> 01:01:22,660
think that my friend made very real to

1456
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:27,160
me the the kind of cognitive dissonance

1457
01:01:32,910 --> 01:01:30,010
that that existed in the public mind

1458
01:01:35,220 --> 01:01:32,920
between the JFK they thought who was

1459
01:01:36,839 --> 01:01:35,230
their president and the way he actually

1460
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:36,849
lived his private life and I just

1461
01:01:41,370 --> 01:01:39,040
thought that that is as a dramatist

1462
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,380
that's a pretty juicy story

1463
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:43,599
all right so talking about the

1464
01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:46,569
legislative achievements though would we

1465
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:49,569
have had a Civil Rights Act of 1965

1466
01:01:56,190 --> 01:01:54,130
would we have had Medicare I think

1467
01:01:59,509 --> 01:01:56,200
certain things I listen I think that

1468
01:02:02,190 --> 01:01:59,519
when you talk alternative timelines

1469
01:02:05,509 --> 01:02:02,200
there are certain larger events that

1470
01:02:09,150 --> 01:02:05,519
seem to be that the you know that can be

1471
01:02:10,769 --> 01:02:09,160
missed by a few details and years and so

1472
01:02:14,249 --> 01:02:10,779
forth let's take civil rights I know

1473
01:02:16,859 --> 01:02:14,259
that's an important one the the arc of

1474
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:16,869
history is in favor of civil rights

1475
01:02:21,539 --> 01:02:19,839
legislation occurring in the 1960s

1476
01:02:24,479 --> 01:02:21,549
well Bobby you're a happily involved

1477
01:02:27,779 --> 01:02:24,489
yeah he was just really a prime mover

1478
01:02:29,999 --> 01:02:27,789
and really in a major player in getting

1479
01:02:33,150 --> 01:02:30,009
that legislation passed of course

1480
01:02:37,499 --> 01:02:33,160
and so I I guess my answer is whether it

1481
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:37,509
was JFK surviving in my timeline or LBJ

1482
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,249
taking the reigns in our timeline civil

1483
01:02:48,809 --> 01:02:43,920
rights legislation would have passed

1484
01:02:51,930 --> 01:02:48,819
maybe not in 64 because of the the

1485
01:02:53,759 --> 01:02:51,940
martyr effect but certainly during the

1486
01:02:56,849 --> 01:02:53,769
60s the essence of civil rights

1487
01:03:00,089 --> 01:02:56,859
legislation would have been passed the

1488
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:00,099
essence of Medicare would have been

1489
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:03,430
passed there's are just certain issues

1490
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:05,890
that probably are moving forward I think

1491
01:03:12,059 --> 01:03:09,670
the bigger question about where Kennedy

1492
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:12,069
is a pivot point in history might very

1493
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:14,710
well be Vietnam that seems to be very

1494
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:17,380
clear that he had certain agendas about

1495
01:03:22,109 --> 01:03:20,049
Vietnam that he would have addressed in

1496
01:03:24,569 --> 01:03:22,119
a second term that he was not addressing

1497
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:24,579
in a first term that were different from

1498
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:27,190
how Lyndon Johnson viewed the war we'll

1499
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,529
get into the implications of the Vietnam

1500
01:03:33,269 --> 01:03:32,079
War in our next segment brides a bow is

1501
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going to tell us what would have

1502
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:35,589
happened if Kennedy had survived the

1503
01:03:40,890 --> 01:03:38,049
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been so the story we heard I guess the

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official story is that Kennedy might

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have pulled us out of Vietnam at least

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insofar as what he was possibly planning

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to do before he died but what really

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01:08:39,550 --> 01:08:37,040
happened what will have happened had he

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01:08:42,190 --> 01:08:39,560
survived it's very clear that Kennedy

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01:08:44,710 --> 01:08:42,200
did not believe that you could win a

1617
01:08:47,860 --> 01:08:44,720
land war in Asia but he felt that he had

1618
01:08:50,260 --> 01:08:47,870
already was alienating his military

1619
01:08:52,930 --> 01:08:50,270
advisors and so forth he'd he was kind

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01:08:55,570 --> 01:08:52,940
of a peacenik at that by 1963 he was

1621
01:08:57,690 --> 01:08:55,580
making peace with the Soviets as best he

1622
01:09:00,490 --> 01:08:57,700
could he had the nuclear test ban treaty

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01:09:02,740 --> 01:09:00,500
so he was not wild about pursuing

1624
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:02,750
Vietnam but he told several people that

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01:09:07,059 --> 01:09:04,310
it would have to wait until his second

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01:09:09,309 --> 01:09:07,069
term and it seems clear that the John

1627
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:09,319
Kennedy would have found a way out of

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01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:11,330
going into Vietnam had he been reelected

1629
01:09:16,180 --> 01:09:13,970
whereas Lyndon Johnson felt differently

1630
01:09:18,370 --> 01:09:16,190
on the subject and was more prone to

1631
01:09:20,770 --> 01:09:18,380
listen to the military advisers about

1632
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:20,780
the need to do it so why was Johnson's

1633
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:22,850
first act upon becoming president I

1634
01:09:27,070 --> 01:09:24,650
think he signed off on some huge

1635
01:09:29,230 --> 01:09:27,080
helicopter contract with the helicopter

1636
01:09:31,690 --> 01:09:29,240
he signed off on yes he did

1637
01:09:34,450 --> 01:09:31,700
he also remember the Gulf of Tonkin

1638
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,460
happened during his his term during the

1639
01:09:38,890 --> 01:09:37,040
the election campaign and he was happy

1640
01:09:42,340 --> 01:09:38,900
to get the Gulf of Tonkin endorsement

1641
01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:42,350
from the from the US Congress my time

1642
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,270
frame though is slightly different I

1643
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:47,120
feel like it's this is where we fall in

1644
01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:49,850
to remember earlier I had said when you

1645
01:09:55,180 --> 01:09:51,980
get to alternative histories that they

1646
01:09:57,700 --> 01:09:55,190
fall with JFK into two forms one is the

1647
01:09:59,920 --> 01:09:57,710
time-travel sci-fi version that Stephen

1648
01:10:01,840 --> 01:09:59,930
King is just done but the other is kind

1649
01:10:03,820 --> 01:10:01,850
of the rose-colored glasses where if

1650
01:10:06,580 --> 01:10:03,830
it's just as if there was a

1651
01:10:08,980 --> 01:10:06,590
an essential continuum of time where JFK

1652
01:10:10,810 --> 01:10:08,990
runs for office gets reelected and

1653
01:10:12,430 --> 01:10:10,820
continues to pursue as you guys have

1654
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,440
been talking about the legislative

1655
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:14,480
agenda but that's not how I see it

1656
01:10:19,540 --> 01:10:17,090
I I don't think one bounces back from

1657
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:19,550
the investigations into a potential

1658
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:21,890
execution of your leader on a on a

1659
01:10:25,630 --> 01:10:23,570
public street in broad daylight as I've

1660
01:10:28,510 --> 01:10:25,640
said and so I don't think the

1661
01:10:31,810 --> 01:10:28,520
rose-colored glasses fit I think that in

1662
01:10:35,410 --> 01:10:31,820
a second term the reverberations the

1663
01:10:37,570 --> 01:10:35,420
ripples in the pool from Dallas Texas

1664
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:37,580
even a failed assassination attempt

1665
01:10:40,230 --> 01:10:39,290
would have kept the Kennedy

1666
01:10:43,420 --> 01:10:40,240
administration

1667
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:43,430
somewhat occupied and off balance ask

1668
01:10:47,020 --> 01:10:44,510
yourself this

1669
01:10:50,290 --> 01:10:47,030
how how concerned was Richard Nixon

1670
01:10:52,540 --> 01:10:50,300
about his legislative agenda when he was

1671
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:52,550
fighting his rearguard action against

1672
01:10:57,250 --> 01:10:54,890
Watergate you know you've got to survive

1673
01:10:59,080 --> 01:10:57,260
first so I do think that there would

1674
01:11:01,930 --> 01:10:59,090
have been a political conflict brewing

1675
01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:01,940
in 1965 that would have dragged the

1676
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:04,670
president into it and quite likely he

1677
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:06,110
would have had to devote a lot of his

1678
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:10,370
time and his associates time with trying

1679
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:12,770
to preserve political viability and

1680
01:11:18,970 --> 01:11:15,710
survivability and so it's not as simple

1681
01:11:21,820 --> 01:11:18,980
as just continuing the timeline as if

1682
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:21,830
Dallas didn't happen to me Dallas still

1683
01:11:26,830 --> 01:11:24,950
becomes a watershed moment and has to be

1684
01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:26,840
dealt with and and would have been dealt

1685
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:29,960
with in the a Kennedy's second term so

1686
01:11:33,730 --> 01:11:32,330
if we look at it that way at the end of

1687
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:33,740
the second term we're looking at

1688
01:11:39,790 --> 01:11:37,610
Kennedy's administration's success is it

1689
01:11:41,650 --> 01:11:39,800
all mediocre as a result as a result of

1690
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:41,660
being tied down with these other issues

1691
01:11:47,950 --> 01:11:45,920
what about his secret life do you depict

1692
01:11:50,050 --> 01:11:47,960
that it being revealed at some point

1693
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:50,060
we're getting into definite spoiler

1694
01:11:54,490 --> 01:11:52,550
territory here okay I get to fun that's

1695
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:54,500
okay I mean I bet I can know unless I'm

1696
01:11:59,620 --> 01:11:56,810
just kidding but I'll answer anything we

1697
01:12:01,960 --> 01:11:59,630
want to talk about but but I I think

1698
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:01,970
that your question raises several

1699
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:04,250
assumptions of one is that he finishes

1700
01:12:09,730 --> 01:12:07,490
his term I mean that's not necessarily

1701
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:09,740
clear there were issues that could have

1702
01:12:16,929 --> 01:12:12,530
prevented that also the revelation of

1703
01:12:19,569 --> 01:12:16,939
his secret life if you think about Rev

1704
01:12:22,449 --> 01:12:19,579
there's a continuum of Revelations on

1705
01:12:25,839 --> 01:12:22,459
one side it's full disclosure in another

1706
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:25,849
is limited modified hangout right so I

1707
01:12:32,919 --> 01:12:29,360
think I would just say this I think it

1708
01:12:35,290 --> 01:12:32,929
is clear and I've seen this from top

1709
01:12:37,239 --> 01:12:35,300
historians including people that have

1710
01:12:41,799 --> 01:12:37,249
been Kennedy biographers like Robert

1711
01:12:44,649 --> 01:12:41,809
Dalek etc most historians today seem to

1712
01:12:47,169 --> 01:12:44,659
agree the John Kennedy was living one

1713
01:12:50,649 --> 01:12:47,179
sensational headline away from disaster

1714
01:12:53,109 --> 01:12:50,659
in surrounded by enemies I will simply

1715
01:12:55,149 --> 01:12:53,119
submit this I'm willing to investigate

1716
01:12:56,739 --> 01:12:55,159
what that looked like I'm not going to

1717
01:12:59,529 --> 01:12:56,749
ask you then whether he survives the

1718
01:13:02,439 --> 01:12:59,539
term or not I'll ask you this yeah

1719
01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:02,449
does LBJ become vice president in the

1720
01:13:07,719 --> 01:13:05,030
second term well let's let's talk about

1721
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:07,729
LBJ for a minute what remember we were

1722
01:13:12,029 --> 01:13:09,380
talking earlier about like when the

1723
01:13:14,679 --> 01:13:12,039
Kennedy clan assembled on November 23rd

1724
01:13:15,129 --> 01:13:14,689
1963 and they were saying who's behind

1725
01:13:17,229 --> 01:13:15,139
this

1726
01:13:18,909 --> 01:13:17,239
I think somebody in the room might have

1727
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,919
said this Len didn't have something to

1728
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:21,199
do with this the Kennedys hated Lyndon

1729
01:13:25,689 --> 01:13:22,729
and they just thought they called them

1730
01:13:28,449 --> 01:13:25,699
you know cornpone at his best they just

1731
01:13:31,239 --> 01:13:28,459
thought he was embarrassing but they

1732
01:13:34,419 --> 01:13:31,249
also suspected darker things and

1733
01:13:38,189 --> 01:13:34,429
remember Lyndon Johnson on November 22nd

1734
01:13:40,659 --> 01:13:38,199
1963 really was at his own personal a

1735
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:40,669
fracture point he was either probably

1736
01:13:49,029 --> 01:13:44,329
gonna go to jail over the scandals with

1737
01:13:50,469 --> 01:13:49,039
Bobby Baker and Billy Sol Estes or he

1738
01:13:52,029 --> 01:13:50,479
was going to become president because if

1739
01:13:53,649 --> 01:13:52,039
he didn't become president those

1740
01:13:56,500 --> 01:13:53,659
investigations that were already

1741
01:13:59,229 --> 01:13:56,510
underway into LBJ's affairs probably

1742
01:14:02,350 --> 01:13:59,239
would have bounced it in from office LBJ

1743
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:02,360
is a central character in surrounded by

1744
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:04,610
enemies what if Kennedy survived Dallas

1745
01:14:11,140 --> 01:14:07,280
that much I'll tell you and the central

1746
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,150
issues surrounding LBJ are number one

1747
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:13,760
from the Kennedy point of view can we

1748
01:14:18,759 --> 01:14:16,610
trust them in number two whether we can

1749
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:18,769
trust them or not can we politically

1750
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:22,159
keep them on the ballot and number three

1751
01:14:26,259 --> 01:14:24,590
if we think that he shouldn't be on the

1752
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:26,269
ballot how do we get them off the ballot

1753
01:14:30,189 --> 01:14:28,489
in a way that doesn't do as much damage

1754
01:14:32,529 --> 01:14:30,199
to us and

1755
01:14:34,779 --> 01:14:32,539
I would also say that it was one thing

1756
01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:34,789
for John Kennedy to think about getting

1757
01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:38,030
rid of LBJ in our time language he was

1758
01:14:41,890 --> 01:14:40,280
certainly thinking about doing in my

1759
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:41,900
timeline they've surrounded by enemies

1760
01:14:46,629 --> 01:14:44,570
you remember now it's the Kennedy

1761
01:14:49,810 --> 01:14:46,639
administration having just survived

1762
01:14:52,299 --> 01:14:49,820
Dallas and asking and getting prepared

1763
01:14:54,879 --> 01:14:52,309
to go to the the country and saying look

1764
01:14:56,379 --> 01:14:54,889
that was an aberration you got to stick

1765
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:56,389
with the new frontier we're gonna take

1766
01:15:00,069 --> 01:14:58,010
this thing forward and do you really

1767
01:15:02,379 --> 01:15:00,079
want you know a political consideration

1768
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:02,389
for the Kennedys then that they wouldn't

1769
01:15:06,759 --> 01:15:04,010
have had if Dallas had not happened

1770
01:15:08,259 --> 01:15:06,769
would be do we just look like the gang

1771
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:08,269
that couldn't shoot straight we're

1772
01:15:13,029 --> 01:15:10,610
getting shot at literally in Dallas

1773
01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:13,039
we're bumping vice-presidents off

1774
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:15,800
tickets we're taking the country toward

1775
01:15:21,549 --> 01:15:19,369
nuclear war up to the edge of nuclear

1776
01:15:24,759 --> 01:15:21,559
war in the Cuban Missile Crisis they had

1777
01:15:27,759 --> 01:15:24,769
a whole fascinating political way of

1778
01:15:30,219 --> 01:15:27,769
looking at Lyndon Johnson that we don't

1779
01:15:33,729 --> 01:15:30,229
see in our current timeline and that

1780
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:33,739
Kennedy didn't see on November 21st 1963

1781
01:15:38,169 --> 01:15:36,170
so that's what I think is the most fun

1782
01:15:41,259 --> 01:15:38,179
about surrounded by enemies is that I

1783
01:15:43,419 --> 01:15:41,269
really let the reader go with the

1784
01:15:47,319 --> 01:15:43,429
Kennedys as they work their way through

1785
01:15:49,689 --> 01:15:47,329
the ripples from Dallas and that's what

1786
01:15:52,330 --> 01:15:49,699
was so much fun for me to write and and

1787
01:15:53,890 --> 01:15:52,340
I think it's also kind of a brain post I

1788
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:53,900
don't expect by the way I don't expect

1789
01:15:58,509 --> 01:15:56,329
you guys to agree with every decision

1790
01:16:00,520 --> 01:15:58,519
that I make in the in the book and I

1791
01:16:02,919 --> 01:16:00,530
certainly don't expect your readers to

1792
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:02,929
agree with every decision I would just

1793
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:04,610
think that most people that read it will

1794
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:07,249
say I can see that point of view and and

1795
01:16:11,649 --> 01:16:09,289
and enjoy it from that point of view

1796
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:11,659
Bryce Apple is author of surrounded by

1797
01:16:16,839 --> 01:16:14,090
enemies a lot more what if Kennedy

1798
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:16,849
survived Dallas how would history have

1799
01:16:21,459 --> 01:16:19,190
changed just to let you know that next

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01:16:25,569 --> 01:16:21,469
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[Music]

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01:21:02,150 --> 01:20:59,320
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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01:21:08,830 --> 01:21:02,160
listening to the para cast

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01:21:13,220 --> 01:21:11,870
right safer joining us we're trying to

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figure out what would have happened if

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01:21:17,230 --> 01:21:15,330
Kennedy had survived Dallas and it

1912
01:21:19,790 --> 01:21:17,240
sounds like the wolves would be

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01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:19,800
surrounding him well that's why it's

1914
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:22,170
called surrounded by enemies listen I

1915
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:23,850
could have written a nice safe title

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01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:25,890
that just I could have just written a

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01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:27,540
book called what if Kennedy lived

1918
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:29,250
it's called surrounded by enemies

1919
01:21:35,690 --> 01:21:32,520
because the truth of the matter in in

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01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:35,700
the early 60s John Kennedy was in fact

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01:21:40,820 --> 01:21:38,280
loved by many many people but he was

1922
01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:40,830
also hated by many many people and a lot

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01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:42,600
of the many many people that hated him

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01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:45,840
had guns I think that the Kennedys would

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01:21:51,470 --> 01:21:48,960
have retreated behind the now secured

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walls of the White House and thought to

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01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:53,310
themselves that they were surrounded by

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01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,120
enemies and they would have had to think

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very carefully about every single move

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they did so you talk legislative agenda

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01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,120
that's all well and good

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you can't implement a legislative agenda

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if you're afraid that the nation is

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01:22:14,180 --> 01:22:11,400
going to be at risk of a coup if you

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01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:14,190
think that you're going to be killed you

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01:22:18,620 --> 01:22:16,170
you know you just have to get security

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01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:18,630
first and and I don't think it's crazy

1938
01:22:22,670 --> 01:22:20,850
to think that the Kennedys would have

1939
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,680
thought that Dallas meant that the

1940
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:24,960
entire nation was at risk because

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01:22:28,940 --> 01:22:27,030
remember I think it's a fascinating

1942
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:28,950
Hollywood kind of thing but let's talk

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01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:30,930
about the movie seven days in May before

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01:22:37,130 --> 01:22:34,620
it was a movie it was a book by Fletcher

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01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:37,140
Knebel and a very popular book and

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01:22:41,330 --> 01:22:39,210
Kennedy liked it and he told friends

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01:22:43,930 --> 01:22:41,340
publicly or not publicly he told friends

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01:22:46,580 --> 01:22:43,940
privately that he felt that it could

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01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:46,590
happen and it would take two or three

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01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:49,290
Bay of Pigs like events to make it

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01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:51,000
happen and he was dedicated to not

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01:22:55,580 --> 01:22:53,490
giving his opponents that opportunity

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01:22:58,190 --> 01:22:55,590
but he was concerned about it he was so

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01:23:00,200 --> 01:22:58,200
concerned about the scenario of the

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01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:00,210
military takeover in seven days in May

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01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:02,910
that he actively encouraged John

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01:23:07,220 --> 01:23:05,100
Frankenheimer to make that movie and

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01:23:09,230 --> 01:23:07,230
when Frankenheimer and the film crews

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01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,240
needed to shoot at the White House

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Kennedy actually on a couple of

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01:23:16,460 --> 01:23:13,890
occasions went to another location

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01:23:19,130 --> 01:23:16,470
outside of Washington DC dear I an

1963
01:23:20,910 --> 01:23:19,140
assorted Palm Beach so that the White

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01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,920
House had different security

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01:23:24,959 --> 01:23:22,960
issues around it and they could issue

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film permits now that's a guy that

1967
01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:26,920
wanted to get a message out and I submit

1968
01:23:32,669 --> 01:23:29,980
the message he was putting out was don't

1969
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,679
let this happen here all right but we're

1970
01:23:38,130 --> 01:23:35,679
looking at LBJ okay and this is the guy

1971
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:38,140
that they don't trust do you suggest

1972
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:41,050
that he was one of the people who might

1973
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:43,120
have been in part responsible for the

1974
01:23:47,850 --> 01:23:45,010
assassination attempt it just seems so

1975
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:47,860
obvious in the real world that he would

1976
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:50,910
have been well let me put it this way I

1977
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:54,400
want to suggest that the scenario you're

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01:23:58,350 --> 01:23:56,290
talking about is dealt with and

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surrounded by enemies I don't want to go

1980
01:24:03,660 --> 01:24:00,449
too much beyond that because I think

1981
01:24:06,030 --> 01:24:03,670
it's more complex and if I just answered

1982
01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:06,040
that question straight out I'll do an

1983
01:24:11,010 --> 01:24:08,020
injustice to the book and I don't think

1984
01:24:12,689 --> 01:24:11,020
I should do that but I do think I'd like

1985
01:24:16,740 --> 01:24:12,699
to just back up a section on that

1986
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:16,750
question it is certainly a new way of

1987
01:24:22,050 --> 01:24:18,489
thinking about the Kennedy assassination

1988
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:22,060
in the last 10 years or so where more

1989
01:24:27,419 --> 01:24:24,489
and more people are saying I wonder if

1990
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LBJ either was involved in the planning

1991
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:30,850
or at least knew it was happening there

1992
01:24:34,110 --> 01:24:32,260
are people to talk about that there's a

1993
01:24:35,790 --> 01:24:34,120
couple of books there's more than a

1994
01:24:38,459 --> 01:24:35,800
couple of books out right now one of

1995
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:38,469
them is from Barr McClellan who I

1996
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:40,690
believe was the father of Scott

1997
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:42,730
McClellan who was the press secretary

1998
01:24:48,450 --> 01:24:45,850
for President Bush so there are people

1999
01:24:51,180 --> 01:24:48,460
talking about it and certainly Johnson's

2000
01:24:53,939 --> 01:24:51,190
behavior when looked at from that

2001
01:24:57,090 --> 01:24:53,949
framework is suspicious I mean I give

2002
01:24:59,970 --> 01:24:57,100
you one example there's a photo frame of

2003
01:25:01,740 --> 01:24:59,980
a larger picture that was cropped in the

2004
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:01,750
evidence given to the Warren Commission

2005
01:25:07,229 --> 01:25:04,510
but it in the uncropped photo you see

2006
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,239
JFK's car and you also see Johnson's car

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01:25:12,270 --> 01:25:09,760
two cars back it goes JFK's car Secret

2008
01:25:15,689 --> 01:25:12,280
Service car Johnson's car in Johnson's

2009
01:25:18,450 --> 01:25:15,699
car before the shot has caused anyone

2010
01:25:20,689 --> 01:25:18,460
else to react his disappeared from the

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01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:20,699
car you can barely see the man he is

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01:25:26,189 --> 01:25:23,199
scooting solo in the back seat

2013
01:25:28,620 --> 01:25:26,199
now why well I mean the answer was

2014
01:25:32,430 --> 01:25:28,630
supposedly that he was trying to listen

2015
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,440
to a walkie talkie from the The Secret

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01:25:37,229 --> 01:25:34,719
Service agent Roy Kellerman

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had let him listen to that man he'd been

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01:25:41,970 --> 01:25:39,100
doing that during the entire thing but

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01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:41,980
you know to the conspiracy minded you

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01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:43,750
could say well I'll tell you why he was

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01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:45,489
scooting so low that you can't even see

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01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:47,590
him in the car cuz he knew his the shots

2023
01:25:51,450 --> 01:25:49,690
were gonna fly so there was a lot of

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01:25:54,330 --> 01:25:51,460
that I have tried to write a book that

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01:25:56,820 --> 01:25:54,340
is informed by that kind of speculation

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01:25:58,770 --> 01:25:56,830
and interest that's the way I had to

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01:26:01,290 --> 01:25:58,780
answer that I guess all right let's just

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01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:01,300
go beyond that a little bit at the end

2029
01:26:06,930 --> 01:26:03,810
of his term does he leave in disgrace

2030
01:26:10,260 --> 01:26:06,940
does he leave it open for his successor

2031
01:26:13,169 --> 01:26:10,270
to have a fairly successful term as

2032
01:26:16,169 --> 01:26:13,179
Johnson run is there somebody else does

2033
01:26:18,510 --> 01:26:16,179
Richard Nixon like you know listen I'm

2034
01:26:19,979 --> 01:26:18,520
success to answer that gene I think you

2035
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:19,989
can appreciate this if I answered that

2036
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:21,489
question straight out right now I've

2037
01:26:26,330 --> 01:26:23,440
told somebody how the book actually ends

2038
01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:26,340
and that I can't do but I will say this

2039
01:26:34,649 --> 01:26:32,500
everything comes to an end because you

2040
01:26:36,780 --> 01:26:34,659
know the kennedy has to leave the White

2041
01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:36,790
House one way or the other and and

2042
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:39,340
somebody else has to take over I'm not

2043
01:26:44,610 --> 01:26:41,710
gonna spoil how that my particular

2044
01:26:49,890 --> 01:26:44,620
alternate history works out but but I do

2045
01:26:52,530 --> 01:26:49,900
think it's it's clear that even if that

2046
01:26:55,229 --> 01:26:52,540
the the only way let's answer the

2047
01:26:59,300 --> 01:26:55,239
alternative let's say that Dallas didn't

2048
01:27:01,770 --> 01:26:59,310
happen it never happened and in JFK

2049
01:27:06,060 --> 01:27:01,780
survived and ran for office I think

2050
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:06,070
clearly he probably would have kept

2051
01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:08,320
things pretty much under control he

2052
01:27:11,490 --> 01:27:10,060
would have got a lot of that legislative

2053
01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:11,500
agenda that you're talking about

2054
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:13,510
implemented and he would have served

2055
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:15,760
that his term and he probably would have

2056
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:18,880
batted away a few investigations into

2057
01:27:23,090 --> 01:27:21,610
his personal life that's what I would

2058
01:27:26,340 --> 01:27:23,100
say would be the rose-colored glasses

2059
01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:26,350
look I'm not telling on that story I'm

2060
01:27:30,540 --> 01:27:28,120
telling the story where Dallas did

2061
01:27:33,060 --> 01:27:30,550
happen and it sent out those ripples and

2062
01:27:35,340 --> 01:27:33,070
tied up the Kennedy administration in

2063
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:35,350
dealing with the aftermath of those

2064
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:38,110
ripples while also trying to conduct the

2065
01:27:43,140 --> 01:27:40,330
nation's business while also trying to

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01:27:46,860 --> 01:27:43,150
keep the private personal and

2067
01:27:48,379 --> 01:27:46,870
professional life private and that that

2068
01:27:51,139 --> 01:27:48,389
gets a little

2069
01:27:53,540 --> 01:27:51,149
Masey and politics is messy and what I

2070
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:53,550
think a lot of people when they consider

2071
01:27:58,459 --> 01:27:55,320
if Kennedy lived is they they don't

2072
01:28:00,469 --> 01:27:58,469
consider the mess of politics they don't

2073
01:28:02,270 --> 01:28:00,479
consider that historically a lot of

2074
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,280
second terms don't go so well think

2075
01:28:07,250 --> 01:28:04,800
about Richard Nixon's second term pretty

2076
01:28:09,639 --> 01:28:07,260
much a bad bad case Lyndon Johnson

2077
01:28:11,870 --> 01:28:09,649
couldn't even get to a second term

2078
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:11,880
Obama's second term right now it looks

2079
01:28:17,779 --> 01:28:15,360
to be a lot bumpier than you might have

2080
01:28:20,209 --> 01:28:17,789
thought after his uh his victory Bill

2081
01:28:22,219 --> 01:28:20,219
Clinton's second term mmm

2082
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:22,229
still had a lot of bumps in it he got

2083
01:28:25,969 --> 01:28:24,329
impeached you know Bill Clinton got

2084
01:28:28,729 --> 01:28:25,979
impeached in the second term so I think

2085
01:28:31,909 --> 01:28:28,739
the nation has a history where second

2086
01:28:34,549 --> 01:28:31,919
terms are not simple Affairs where when

2087
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:34,559
people when the voters give a president

2088
01:28:39,739 --> 01:28:37,530
a second shot they know that they're

2089
01:28:42,049 --> 01:28:39,749
doing that because they like the guy or

2090
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:42,059
they like his policies but they're

2091
01:28:45,049 --> 01:28:43,679
getting a little less in return they're

2092
01:28:48,020 --> 01:28:45,059
not getting that era of good feelings

2093
01:28:50,449 --> 01:28:48,030
when a person is first elected it's

2094
01:28:52,580 --> 01:28:50,459
gonna get messy and so I think Kennedy's

2095
01:28:54,979 --> 01:28:52,590
second term long way of answering your

2096
01:28:57,259 --> 01:28:54,989
question kennedy second term would have

2097
01:28:59,870 --> 01:28:57,269
been probably messier than most given

2098
01:29:03,169 --> 01:28:59,880
Dallas and his own personal of Secrets

2099
01:29:06,139 --> 01:29:03,179
what a world it may or may not have been

2100
01:29:07,459 --> 01:29:06,149
let's look at the real world for a few

2101
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:07,469
moments about the Kennedy assassination

2102
01:29:12,199 --> 01:29:09,840
then we'll get into some of our listener

2103
01:29:15,139 --> 01:29:12,209
questions and that is what is your

2104
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:15,149
feeling in the real world forgetting

2105
01:29:19,069 --> 01:29:17,489
this book for the moment we hope the

2106
01:29:21,229 --> 01:29:19,079
book would be an incredible bestseller

2107
01:29:23,209 --> 01:29:21,239
if it's not already what do you think in

2108
01:29:24,649 --> 01:29:23,219
the real world whom do you think was

2109
01:29:28,819 --> 01:29:24,659
responsible Oh

2110
01:29:31,790 --> 01:29:28,829
fascination well let's let I will also

2111
01:29:33,409 --> 01:29:31,800
add another suspect to answer that

2112
01:29:35,389 --> 01:29:33,419
question we were talking earlier about

2113
01:29:37,850 --> 01:29:35,399
who the Kennedys might have thought was

2114
01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:37,860
behind this the one group I left out was

2115
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:41,329
also the mob remember that the mob had

2116
01:29:45,799 --> 01:29:44,159
was under attack by Bobby Kennedy during

2117
01:29:48,139 --> 01:29:45,809
the 50s and then when he became an

2118
01:29:50,389 --> 01:29:48,149
attorney general even though supposedly

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01:29:52,370 --> 01:29:50,399
they helped JFK get elected they were

2120
01:29:55,220 --> 01:29:52,380
trying to put them all in prison so

2121
01:29:58,820 --> 01:29:55,230
there's a lot of hatred by the mob it

2122
01:30:01,490 --> 01:29:58,830
I think that the assassination is a

2123
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:01,500
complex issue I will say there is a

2124
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:03,210
little pushback from people on the

2125
01:30:08,270 --> 01:30:06,110
Oswald acted alone business right now

2126
01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:08,280
having read all that I've read and

2127
01:30:12,970 --> 01:30:10,110
knowing what I know I just don't buy it

2128
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:12,980
I'm willing to believe that Oswald

2129
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:16,290
possibly fired a weapon that could have

2130
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:18,090
happened but I don't think he did it by

2131
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:19,710
himself and I think there are a lot of

2132
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:21,690
other people involved where Bryce a beau

2133
01:30:25,610 --> 01:30:24,300
now speculating about who might have

2134
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:25,620
done the real event

2135
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:27,630
the real assassination with Gene and

2136
01:30:38,850 --> 01:30:30,960
Kris you're in the para got her chest

2137
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2140
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:51,050
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01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:55,039
there is the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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[Music]

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this is spurred 70 author you up on the

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screens and you're listening to the

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podcast on the para cast we're looking

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at the real and fanciful mystery of the

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Kennedy assassination still after all

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these years so compelling the book is

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surrounded by enemies what if Kennedy

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survived Dallas all the implications

2258
01:35:22,290 --> 01:35:20,110
thereof but now we're focusing on the

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01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:22,300
real world which is what actually

2260
01:35:27,509 --> 01:35:25,840
happened who did it was a just Oswald or

2261
01:35:30,899 --> 01:35:27,519
what so you're suggesting here that

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01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:30,909
maybe Oswald was one of those involved

2263
01:35:35,729 --> 01:35:33,010
one of the conspirators but not the only

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01:35:37,709 --> 01:35:35,739
one I I'm I'm suggesting that I don't

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01:35:41,279 --> 01:35:37,719
buy for a second that Oswald acted alone

2266
01:35:44,189 --> 01:35:41,289
that I do not buy I'm willing I will say

2267
01:35:45,959 --> 01:35:44,199
that after 50 years it is beginning to

2268
01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:45,969
look like we'll never have that crystal

2269
01:35:51,060 --> 01:35:49,630
clarity where we say this guy did it you

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01:35:52,739 --> 01:35:51,070
know we're not gonna have the moment of

2271
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Colonel Mustard did it in the drawing

2272
01:35:56,580 --> 01:35:54,219
room kind of thing well you know we're

2273
01:35:59,009 --> 01:35:56,590
not gonna have that but I do think that

2274
01:36:00,689 --> 01:35:59,019
when people say in this 50th anniversary

2275
01:36:03,299 --> 01:36:00,699
coverage well I guess we'll just never

2276
01:36:06,540 --> 01:36:03,309
know I don't buy that I think we know

2277
01:36:08,399 --> 01:36:06,550
that it was not Oswald acting alone that

2278
01:36:10,819 --> 01:36:08,409
I think we know I think there were a lot

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of players and a lot of moving parts and

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it does seem within the realm of

2281
01:36:20,219 --> 01:36:17,260
possibility to me that the moving part

2282
01:36:24,719 --> 01:36:20,229
that should not be ignored is the

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attempt to use the mob with anti-castro

2284
01:36:31,259 --> 01:36:28,030
Cubans to assassinate Castro that was a

2285
01:36:34,399 --> 01:36:31,269
rather devilish concoction that the CIA

2286
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:34,409
was putting together so he had CIA mob

2287
01:36:42,350 --> 01:36:37,530
anti-castro Cubans all right these are

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01:36:45,180 --> 01:36:42,360
three groups that we know for a fact

2289
01:36:48,779 --> 01:36:45,190
we're operating together to try to

2290
01:36:50,879 --> 01:36:48,789
murder Castro it's not all that much of

2291
01:36:55,229 --> 01:36:50,889
a stretch of the imagination to think

2292
01:36:57,479 --> 01:36:55,239
that somehow rogue elements in the CIA

2293
01:37:01,169 --> 01:36:57,489
working with these people turned the

2294
01:37:04,139 --> 01:37:01,179
plot around on JFK I just don't see that

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01:37:06,029 --> 01:37:04,149
as being all that unlikely as to

2296
01:37:08,189 --> 01:37:06,039
whether we will ever get to the place

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01:37:10,979 --> 01:37:08,199
where we can say well there were three

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01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:10,989
shooters the first one was here and the

2299
01:37:14,009 --> 01:37:12,639
second one was there and the third one

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was there and they were hired by

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01:37:19,799 --> 01:37:17,889
so-and-so and they met on you know

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November 10th and did a rehearsal and

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01:37:23,369 --> 01:37:21,099
then we're never I don't think we're

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01:37:25,709 --> 01:37:23,379
gonna get that where everybody reaches

2305
01:37:28,379 --> 01:37:25,719
consensus about what happened we're just

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01:37:30,869 --> 01:37:28,389
gonna have that overall feeling that it

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was a dirty job

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a dirty job done on the President of the

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01:37:37,469 --> 01:37:35,409
United States by the way all this

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01:37:40,589 --> 01:37:37,479
discussion we we've had makes it almost

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01:37:44,219 --> 01:37:40,599
sound like I'm down on JFK I loved JFK

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01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:44,229
you know I I respected his political

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01:37:50,219 --> 01:37:47,110
ambitions particularly has worked for

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01:37:51,629 --> 01:37:50,229
peace I think the nation lost a great

2315
01:37:54,389 --> 01:37:51,639
deal when we lost him

2316
01:37:57,959 --> 01:37:54,399
so I am as angry as I'm as angry as

2317
01:38:00,869 --> 01:37:57,969
Oliver Stone or anybody else that a

2318
01:38:03,060 --> 01:38:00,879
conspiracy was put together to violently

2319
01:38:05,399 --> 01:38:03,070
remove him from office I think it's a

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01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:05,409
national tragedy and the reason it's so

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01:38:09,779 --> 01:38:08,050
important on this 50th anniversary and

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01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:09,789
why we're all paying attention to it and

2323
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:11,530
while you're doing this show and why I

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01:38:17,310 --> 01:38:14,050
arose surrounded by enemies is because

2325
01:38:20,939 --> 01:38:17,320
it does matter the fact that we have yet

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01:38:22,649 --> 01:38:20,949
to acknowledge in a serious way that's

2327
01:38:24,679 --> 01:38:22,659
something really dirty and nasty

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01:38:28,799 --> 01:38:24,689
happened on the streets of Dallas Texas

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01:38:31,229 --> 01:38:28,809
on November 22nd 1963 that's a bad thing

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and to the extent that we can begin to

2331
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:33,249
acknowledge that it is a better thing

2332
01:38:38,279 --> 01:38:36,159
for our nation so we look at the Warren

2333
01:38:40,109 --> 01:38:38,289
Commission report which would have

2334
01:38:41,609 --> 01:38:40,119
whitewashed the thing anyway because

2335
01:38:43,379 --> 01:38:41,619
people want closure and they wanted to

2336
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:43,389
get the thing out of the way then we

2337
01:38:46,469 --> 01:38:45,010
have the congressional hearings in the

2338
01:38:50,100 --> 01:38:46,479
late 70s where they say it was a

2339
01:38:53,009 --> 01:38:50,110
conspiracy and then it died isn't that

2340
01:38:55,409 --> 01:38:53,019
strange well did it die maybe it died

2341
01:38:59,009 --> 01:38:55,419
officially I don't think it's ever died

2342
01:39:01,649 --> 01:38:59,019
in terms of the relentless I would call

2343
01:39:04,139 --> 01:39:01,659
it patriotism of certain researchers who

2344
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:04,149
against all the odds and with all the

2345
01:39:08,009 --> 01:39:06,010
obstacles thrown in their way continue

2346
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:08,019
to research this it's sort of I I do

2347
01:39:12,750 --> 01:39:10,719
find myself admiring those researchers

2348
01:39:15,060 --> 01:39:12,760
the same way I admire the researchers

2349
01:39:17,549 --> 01:39:15,070
who have thought to remove the cover-up

2350
01:39:20,669 --> 01:39:17,559
of Roswell I mean I think that there are

2351
01:39:23,759 --> 01:39:20,679
certain things that are inspirational to

2352
01:39:26,099 --> 01:39:23,769
have a researcher checking that out so I

2353
01:39:27,959 --> 01:39:26,109
agree with your point the government has

2354
01:39:30,689 --> 01:39:27,969
kind of thrown up its hands about the

2355
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:30,699
whole thing and and it's not likely to

2356
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:32,649
do anything different at this point so

2357
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:36,249
that that is true I do believe that if

2358
01:39:43,889 --> 01:39:40,449
you look at why it's behave the way it's

2359
01:39:46,559 --> 01:39:43,899
behaved there are some explanations the

2360
01:39:49,290 --> 01:39:46,569
first explanation is going back to the

2361
01:39:51,029 --> 01:39:49,300
Warren Commission Lyndon Johnson whether

2362
01:39:53,009 --> 01:39:51,039
he was involved or wasn't involved

2363
01:39:56,939 --> 01:39:53,019
certainly wanted the Warren Commission

2364
01:39:59,939 --> 01:39:56,949
to kind of wave away of this the the

2365
01:40:02,729 --> 01:39:59,949
scent of conspiracy and and he literally

2366
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:02,739
had gone to various people including

2367
01:40:08,399 --> 01:40:06,010
Earl Warren to try to get them to run

2368
01:40:10,649 --> 01:40:08,409
the Commission and said look we can't

2369
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:10,659
afford have people thinking there was a

2370
01:40:17,129 --> 01:40:14,800
conspiracy from the Soviet Union to take

2371
01:40:19,919 --> 01:40:17,139
out the president will be having a

2372
01:40:22,290 --> 01:40:19,929
global nuclear war so his whole take was

2373
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:22,300
why don't you guys pin this on a lone

2374
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:24,249
nut' so that we can get on with the

2375
01:40:28,799 --> 01:40:26,050
nations business and not go to

2376
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:28,809
Armageddon so I don't know whether that

2377
01:40:33,779 --> 01:40:31,449
was you know I think it was more than

2378
01:40:38,459 --> 01:40:33,789
that but at the least it was that and

2379
01:40:40,559 --> 01:40:38,469
then even the House Committee in the in

2380
01:40:43,469 --> 01:40:40,569
the late 70s that said there were

2381
01:40:45,809 --> 01:40:43,479
probably two gunmen was not clear on who

2382
01:40:47,729 --> 01:40:45,819
those gunmen were over the course of

2383
01:40:49,859 --> 01:40:47,739
time one of their prime pieces of

2384
01:40:52,049 --> 01:40:49,869
evidence about it which was the dicta I

2385
01:40:55,379 --> 01:40:52,059
mean the addictive l recordings from the

2386
01:40:59,159 --> 01:40:55,389
motorcycle officer now that evidence has

2387
01:41:02,609 --> 01:40:59,169
been attacked so the people who need to

2388
01:41:04,319 --> 01:41:02,619
keep this imprecise have continued to do

2389
01:41:07,979 --> 01:41:04,329
their job over the years to the point

2390
01:41:09,419 --> 01:41:07,989
that again the the media and I don't

2391
01:41:11,819 --> 01:41:09,429
blame everybody in the media but

2392
01:41:13,979 --> 01:41:11,829
certainly those reporters that are

2393
01:41:16,079 --> 01:41:13,989
catching the Kennedy assassination story

2394
01:41:17,489 --> 01:41:16,089
for like the first time and they get to

2395
01:41:19,969 --> 01:41:17,499
go out and spend two or three days

2396
01:41:23,309 --> 01:41:19,979
working on it those are the ones who

2397
01:41:24,659 --> 01:41:23,319
well nobody this way I used to be a CNN

2398
01:41:28,349 --> 01:41:24,669
correspondent and there's a kind of

2399
01:41:31,530 --> 01:41:28,359
coverage that we often did which is what

2400
01:41:33,870 --> 01:41:31,540
I called the some say yes some say no we

2401
01:41:35,700 --> 01:41:33,880
stay maybe coverage it's the safest

2402
01:41:37,710 --> 01:41:35,710
thing you get one guy who says one thing

2403
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:37,720
yet one guy who says another thing and

2404
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:39,280
then you say who's really ever gonna

2405
01:41:44,910 --> 01:41:42,070
know and this is not to take a position

2406
01:41:46,530 --> 01:41:44,920
is to basically get involved in a

2407
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:46,540
cop-out that's right

2408
01:41:52,380 --> 01:41:48,850
so where I really where I really laid

2409
01:41:55,310 --> 01:41:52,390
the blame on this is where is the

2410
01:41:59,400 --> 01:41:55,320
national news organization with stature

2411
01:42:02,130 --> 01:41:59,410
and respectability if you will where is

2412
01:42:04,710 --> 01:42:02,140
that organization that really takes the

2413
01:42:08,130 --> 01:42:04,720
issues like the Kennedy assassination on

2414
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:08,140
really dig deep into it for a sustained

2415
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:10,810
period put some money into it put some

2416
01:42:15,690 --> 01:42:13,090
resources into it and take a position

2417
01:42:17,340 --> 01:42:15,700
where's that that's what's been missing

2418
01:42:18,750 --> 01:42:17,350
over the years it's the same thing

2419
01:42:21,630 --> 01:42:18,760
that's been missing on Roswell

2420
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:21,640
again whenever anyone covers Roswell all

2421
01:42:27,300 --> 01:42:24,250
they say is well you know those goofy

2422
01:42:28,710 --> 01:42:27,310
UFO buffs you know and and and now it's

2423
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:28,720
the same thing with Kennedy it's like

2424
01:42:33,420 --> 01:42:31,090
well you know those conspiracy buffs and

2425
01:42:36,740 --> 01:42:33,430
I all I got to say is you're not above

2426
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:36,750
if you're looking into a honest-to-god

2427
01:42:41,100 --> 01:42:39,250
conspiracy to assassinate the president

2428
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:41,110
or to cover up the truth of

2429
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:43,030
extraterrestrial life that doesn't make

2430
01:42:47,190 --> 01:42:45,130
you a buff and in fact if a guy who

2431
01:42:49,650 --> 01:42:47,200
first said that was George Carlin he

2432
01:42:51,180 --> 01:42:49,660
there's a great rant of his on YouTube

2433
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:51,190
where because why do you call these

2434
01:42:56,510 --> 01:42:53,650
people buffs and I agree with that

2435
01:42:58,860 --> 01:42:56,520
the media has been very complicit in

2436
01:43:01,320 --> 01:42:58,870
marginalizing people that are trying to

2437
01:43:03,390 --> 01:43:01,330
do good work on difficult subjects

2438
01:43:05,580 --> 01:43:03,400
alright but the big question is here

2439
01:43:08,220 --> 01:43:05,590
will we ever get an answer with regard

2440
01:43:09,810 --> 01:43:08,230
to the Kennedy assassination I mean we

2441
01:43:12,300 --> 01:43:09,820
have these pins of government know what

2442
01:43:16,050 --> 01:43:12,310
happened how long do they keep it from

2443
01:43:19,730 --> 01:43:16,060
us I they will forever you know

2444
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:19,740
it whatever gets released now I mean

2445
01:43:24,270 --> 01:43:21,760
maybe there's some more stuff to be

2446
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:24,280
released as they say but but the stuff

2447
01:43:29,130 --> 01:43:26,170
that that won't be releases the stuff

2448
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:29,140
that's already been burned and shredded

2449
01:43:34,350 --> 01:43:31,210
and and isn't there anymore

2450
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:34,360
I would just argue though we if we're

2451
01:43:38,940 --> 01:43:37,600
waiting for the moment when the dots the

2452
01:43:41,460 --> 01:43:38,950
I's are dotted and the T's are crossed

2453
01:43:43,950 --> 01:43:41,470
on who did what that's not going to come

2454
01:43:46,150 --> 01:43:43,960
but I do believe that we are gonna that

2455
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:46,160
we have already a

2456
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:48,800
in my view a compelling case for a

2457
01:43:54,490 --> 01:43:52,400
conspiracy so in that regard I do think

2458
01:43:55,780 --> 01:43:54,500
that we should see more of that but I

2459
01:43:59,200 --> 01:43:55,790
one thing I wanted to just point out

2460
01:44:02,560 --> 01:43:59,210
this isn't just the big bad government

2461
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:02,570
it is that but it is also the complicity

2462
01:44:07,900 --> 01:44:05,450
of the media in not getting deeply into

2463
01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:07,910
something like this and and this is

2464
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:12,910
fascinating you know in 1965 there was a

2465
01:44:18,820 --> 01:44:16,250
book a written called the death of the

2466
01:44:21,670 --> 01:44:18,830
president by William Manchester all

2467
01:44:24,130 --> 01:44:21,680
right and Willie Manchester its gate was

2468
01:44:26,830 --> 01:44:24,140
considered the you know the just a

2469
01:44:30,220 --> 01:44:26,840
powerfully important book in at that

2470
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:30,230
time the Kennedys got a chance to review

2471
01:44:36,910 --> 01:44:32,930
the manuscript and a great amount of

2472
01:44:40,450 --> 01:44:36,920
that was excised and and of what was

2473
01:44:43,060 --> 01:44:40,460
excised by by agreement between

2474
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:43,070
Manchester and the Kennedys it will not

2475
01:44:48,100 --> 01:44:46,250
be released until 2067 now that has

2476
01:44:50,050 --> 01:44:48,110
nothing to do with the government that

2477
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:50,060
is an agreement between Manchester and

2478
01:44:55,690 --> 01:44:53,210
the Kennedys now what I think that

2479
01:44:58,180 --> 01:44:55,700
material that was excised largely is

2480
01:45:02,020 --> 01:44:58,190
about is about the behavior of Lyndon

2481
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:02,030
Johnson etc immediately before during

2482
01:45:07,210 --> 01:45:04,730
and after the assassination and the

2483
01:45:09,250 --> 01:45:07,220
Kennedys exercised a lot of it you can

2484
01:45:11,470 --> 01:45:09,260
ask yourself questions about why they

2485
01:45:13,090 --> 01:45:11,480
did that but they did I'll tell you what

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we are gonna do right now today what we

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here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and

2549
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Chris we're back here with the para cast

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twins Bryce Abel and Chris O'Brien and

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we're going to release their greatest

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hits album where for ten minutes they

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say the power cast of America must be

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like a Yoko Ono record I can't wait that

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is an artistic statement Chris I think

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that you and I have made and will stand

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forever you have to be in a certain

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mental framework you know that in the

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heel I'll analyze your mind to be able

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01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:30,820
to listen to that you know you know by

2561
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:33,310
the way guys on the topic of that

2562
01:48:38,130 --> 01:48:35,650
there's a really funny interesting

2563
01:48:41,070 --> 01:48:38,140
YouTube video where all it is is a

2564
01:48:43,940 --> 01:48:41,080
person saying back and to the left back

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01:48:46,500 --> 01:48:43,950
and to the left over and over and over

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01:48:48,420 --> 01:48:46,510
because that's the phrase from Oliver

2567
01:48:50,850 --> 01:48:48,430
Stone's JFK where Kevin Costner is

2568
01:48:53,820 --> 01:48:50,860
talking about this appreader hit where

2569
01:48:55,230 --> 01:48:53,830
you see the kennedy kennedy hit and so

2570
01:48:57,090 --> 01:48:55,240
yeah Chris will just have to do our

2571
01:48:58,530 --> 01:48:57,100
version of the paragraphs you know I'm

2572
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:58,540
thinking here of the old Mothers of

2573
01:49:02,970 --> 01:49:01,360
Invention song where for I don't know

2574
01:49:06,750 --> 01:49:02,980
how many minutes they keep saying cream

2575
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:06,760
cheese cream cheese some cheez-its

2576
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:09,520
yeah well it's our mantra that's why the

2577
01:49:14,570 --> 01:49:12,010
way speaking of music I just wanted to

2578
01:49:17,190 --> 01:49:14,580
point out this book is not all just

2579
01:49:23,370 --> 01:49:17,200
downbeat there's some pretty fun stuff

2580
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:23,380
The Beatles are you would think one

2581
01:49:28,860 --> 01:49:25,930
theory that that has been banned about

2582
01:49:32,220 --> 01:49:28,870
for years pertaining to the Beatles just

2583
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:32,230
incredibly tumultuous and instantaneous

2584
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:34,210
popularity in this country was as a

2585
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:36,370
direct result of the assassination of a

2586
01:49:41,580 --> 01:49:39,280
young vibrant president and it would be

2587
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:41,590
interesting to kind of what-if and think

2588
01:49:47,970 --> 01:49:46,090
well let's if he had survived with as

2589
01:49:49,470 --> 01:49:47,980
much of an impact I think they would

2590
01:49:52,170 --> 01:49:49,480
have because I think that was a cultural

2591
01:49:54,270 --> 01:49:52,180
thing that was primed and teed up and

2592
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:54,280
ready to go but it was certainly a

2593
01:49:58,510 --> 01:49:57,280
relief for the nation but in surrounded

2594
01:50:01,660 --> 01:49:58,520
by enemies the

2595
01:50:04,690 --> 01:50:01,670
the Kennedy literally goes to the Ed

2596
01:50:06,670 --> 01:50:04,700
Sullivan Show to meet the Beatles for

2597
01:50:09,100 --> 01:50:06,680
reasons that are political and I'll let

2598
01:50:11,770 --> 01:50:09,110
your reader let your listeners and my

2599
01:50:13,690 --> 01:50:11,780
readers enjoy that but one thing that

2600
01:50:16,300 --> 01:50:13,700
the book does that I think is so much

2601
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:16,310
fun is I commissioned a graphic artist

2602
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:20,080
and we created five authentic-looking

2603
01:50:25,420 --> 01:50:23,360
news magazine covers from this

2604
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:25,430
alternative history and one of them

2605
01:50:32,850 --> 01:50:29,450
shows JFK with the Beatles on The Ed

2606
01:50:35,530 --> 01:50:32,860
Sullivan Show and talks about that wacky

2607
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:35,540
1964 election starting it's really a

2608
01:50:39,490 --> 01:50:37,280
great piece of art in its own right

2609
01:50:41,530 --> 01:50:39,500
Linda Carter is the graphic artist and

2610
01:50:43,090 --> 01:50:41,540
they're all really fun so I hope people

2611
01:50:45,250 --> 01:50:43,100
enjoy that in the book as well their

2612
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:45,260
easiest to see in the e-book because

2613
01:50:49,930 --> 01:50:47,450
they just are you know brilliant color

2614
01:50:51,580 --> 01:50:49,940
renditions yeah we do have a number of

2615
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:51,590
questions from our listeners at forum

2616
01:50:55,930 --> 01:50:54,530
dot the parrot cast calm this first one

2617
01:50:58,540 --> 01:50:55,940
I think a lot of our listeners would

2618
01:51:01,450 --> 01:50:58,550
like to know this is from technomage T

2619
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:01,460
and yes do you cover any UFO related

2620
01:51:09,130 --> 01:51:05,090
issues in your book you know let me just

2621
01:51:12,940 --> 01:51:09,140
say this about that I had a decision to

2622
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:12,950
make and since I've made such a profound

2623
01:51:17,010 --> 01:51:16,250
connection between Kennedy and UFOs in

2624
01:51:20,820 --> 01:51:17,020
dark skies

2625
01:51:25,180 --> 01:51:20,830
I mean 22 hours worth of programming

2626
01:51:27,700 --> 01:51:25,190
talking about it I and and I've written

2627
01:51:30,910 --> 01:51:27,710
a book ad after disclosure that mentions

2628
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:30,920
it I really felt that I needed to have a

2629
01:51:37,780 --> 01:51:35,570
separate take in this book and so the

2630
01:51:39,610 --> 01:51:37,790
answer is no it's not that it couldn't

2631
01:51:41,170 --> 01:51:39,620
have gone on in this alternative history

2632
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:41,180
I just don't talk about it in this

2633
01:51:45,610 --> 01:51:43,280
alternate history in the same way that

2634
01:51:46,990 --> 01:51:45,620
if if it really did happen in our

2635
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:47,000
timeline let's face it

2636
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:49,489
JFK certainly wasn't going to be talking

2637
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:51,770
to too many people about it and and so

2638
01:51:57,670 --> 01:51:54,560
it doesn't come up in this book I I hope

2639
01:51:59,890 --> 01:51:57,680
people will understand that I what I was

2640
01:52:02,500 --> 01:51:59,900
trying to do is reach a different kind

2641
01:52:05,170 --> 01:52:02,510
of audience with a different kind of

2642
01:52:08,410 --> 01:52:05,180
material here although I do think we

2643
01:52:11,260 --> 01:52:08,420
could probably fill at least part of a

2644
01:52:12,910 --> 01:52:11,270
show talking about JFK and UFOs and the

2645
01:52:14,410 --> 01:52:12,920
possibility so

2646
01:52:16,540 --> 01:52:14,420
I'm sorry to disappoint if that's a

2647
01:52:18,430 --> 01:52:16,550
disappointment but then I would

2648
01:52:20,709 --> 01:52:18,440
recommend please watch dark skies again

2649
01:52:25,209 --> 01:52:20,719
okay I have another couple of questions

2650
01:52:29,069 --> 01:52:25,219
from techno mage T he wants to know if

2651
01:52:31,810 --> 01:52:29,079
do you also spend time talking about how

2652
01:52:34,899 --> 01:52:31,820
Kennedy surviving Dallas would affected

2653
01:52:37,060 --> 01:52:34,909
world events he gives the example it's

2654
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:37,070
possible Gustav Khrushchev would have

2655
01:52:43,839 --> 01:52:39,050
still been in power which after fifty

2656
01:52:46,330 --> 01:52:43,849
years I doubt their techno but how much

2657
01:52:49,870 --> 01:52:46,340
of the epsilon world events do you

2658
01:52:52,359 --> 01:52:49,880
really do well on absolutely techno

2659
01:52:56,319 --> 01:52:52,369
techno mage T that sounds like quite a

2660
01:52:58,030 --> 01:52:56,329
name yes and and on the subject of

2661
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:58,040
Khrushchev I mean I don't think this I

2662
01:53:02,530 --> 01:52:59,840
wouldn't call a spoiler I think that

2663
01:53:05,859 --> 01:53:02,540
when the arc of history is interrupted

2664
01:53:09,220 --> 01:53:05,869
so Kennedy survives in surrounded by

2665
01:53:13,390 --> 01:53:09,230
enemies that triggers the survival of

2666
01:53:15,310 --> 01:53:13,400
Khrushchev through the you know that in

2667
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:15,320
our time Latin Brezhnev replaced him

2668
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,360
that doesn't happen in that time I'm not

2669
01:53:22,510 --> 01:53:19,280
saying he's in charge he's not in charge

2670
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:22,520
now but he he certainly could have

2671
01:53:28,660 --> 01:53:26,449
survived through 64 and 65 and and and

2672
01:53:32,740 --> 01:53:28,670
maybe even a few years longer than that

2673
01:53:36,370 --> 01:53:32,750
it is a part of the book Kennedy does go

2674
01:53:38,740 --> 01:53:36,380
to the Soviet Union in my book as he

2675
01:53:41,500 --> 01:53:38,750
intended to do and they even talk about

2676
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:41,510
the moon so there are things in it that

2677
01:53:46,030 --> 01:53:44,719
that are changed by the history okay

2678
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:46,040
here's here's another question I'm gonna

2679
01:53:49,810 --> 01:53:47,690
put a little addendum to the end of it

2680
01:53:51,370 --> 01:53:49,820
which sources did you use in your

2681
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:51,380
research he gives the example of Jim

2682
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:53,570
Mars and James Douglas and I would add

2683
01:53:57,879 --> 01:53:56,210
if someone is interested in the Kennedy

2684
01:53:59,919 --> 01:53:57,889
assassination who's at the top of your

2685
01:54:02,229 --> 01:53:59,929
list to recommend in terms of their work

2686
01:54:05,020 --> 01:54:02,239
that's a good question who are my

2687
01:54:07,209 --> 01:54:05,030
sources well I'm sitting here in an

2688
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:07,219
office right now surrounded by about 75

2689
01:54:14,620 --> 01:54:11,210
Kennedy books so they're my sources are

2690
01:54:16,540 --> 01:54:14,630
are are everybody's I guess but I do

2691
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:16,550
think Jim Mars has written a terrific

2692
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:18,800
book I guess one source that I don't

2693
01:54:22,180 --> 01:54:20,449
recommend too highly as the Warren

2694
01:54:23,979 --> 01:54:22,190
Commission report which I think is one

2695
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:23,989
of the greatest works of

2696
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:26,330
American fiction of the last century but

2697
01:54:31,420 --> 01:54:28,810
I also I do agree that that was a great

2698
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:31,430
James Douglas book JFK and the

2699
01:54:36,250 --> 01:54:33,650
unspeakable is very good books I don't

2700
01:54:38,350 --> 01:54:36,260
particularly think do a very good job or

2701
01:54:40,540 --> 01:54:38,360
like Vincent Bugliosi is reclaiming

2702
01:54:42,670 --> 01:54:40,550
history I don't think he did a really

2703
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:42,680
good job with that him I think there's

2704
01:54:46,690 --> 01:54:45,170
been some other ones that I found some

2705
01:54:49,330 --> 01:54:46,700
inspiration and certainly Seymour

2706
01:54:51,010 --> 01:54:49,340
Hirsch's darkside of Camelot kind of

2707
01:54:53,709 --> 01:54:51,020
knocked the door open for some of this

2708
01:54:55,330 --> 01:54:53,719
stuff crossfire is really a great look

2709
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:55,340
and I understand this new version of it

2710
01:55:02,530 --> 01:55:00,080
in terms of just JFK history there's

2711
01:55:05,050 --> 01:55:02,540
some great ones you know a lot of the

2712
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:05,060
the good guys like you know Daleks done

2713
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:06,890
good work and things like that in terms

2714
01:55:13,540 --> 01:55:10,400
of the conspiracy ones you know there's

2715
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:13,550
Henry Hertz written reasonable doubt

2716
01:55:18,940 --> 01:55:16,370
well that there's so many mark lane of

2717
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:18,950
course you can't deny that but I'll tell

2718
01:55:22,660 --> 01:55:20,810
you something when I talk when I talk

2719
01:55:24,970 --> 01:55:22,670
about my sources it's really interesting

2720
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:24,980
how I wrote this book because it does go

2721
01:55:30,130 --> 01:55:26,810
to that question while I was writing

2722
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:30,140
every day I would I would spend part of

2723
01:55:34,450 --> 01:55:32,090
my day writing and the rest of the day

2724
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:34,460
when I would go for like two hour walks

2725
01:55:39,220 --> 01:55:37,610
I would listen to Kennedy books on my

2726
01:55:41,200 --> 01:55:39,230
headphones while I was walking I would

2727
01:55:44,620 --> 01:55:41,210
come home and read from three or four

2728
01:55:46,570 --> 01:55:44,630
different books for like 30 minutes at a

2729
01:55:48,190 --> 01:55:46,580
time and what was happening is I was

2730
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:48,200
just trying to create this sort of

2731
01:55:53,530 --> 01:55:51,050
neural web you know in my head whatever

2732
01:55:55,479 --> 01:55:53,540
you want to call it work the unrelated

2733
01:55:57,370 --> 01:55:55,489
things from these different unrelated

2734
01:55:59,530 --> 01:55:57,380
sources began to relate in my head

2735
01:56:02,290 --> 01:55:59,540
through the idea of this book that

2736
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:02,300
sounds kind of crazy I guess but but it

2737
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:04,370
really worked for me things that other

2738
01:56:08,500 --> 01:56:06,530
people had not seen as existing at the

2739
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:08,510
same time did exist it's something I did

2740
01:56:12,370 --> 01:56:10,310
during dark skies trying to lay out the

2741
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:12,380
timeline for that where I would figure

2742
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:14,210
out the timeline of events from Time and

2743
01:56:18,010 --> 01:56:15,920
Newsweek and then cross-reference them

2744
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:18,020
with U of youth illogical events it's

2745
01:56:22,630 --> 01:56:20,210
it's really a interesting way to write I

2746
01:56:23,709 --> 01:56:22,640
enjoyed doing that now you're asking and

2747
01:56:27,340 --> 01:56:23,719
then your final part of your question

2748
01:56:29,890 --> 01:56:27,350
was what would I recommend gosh I think

2749
01:56:32,770 --> 01:56:29,900
I think you have to start with a basic

2750
01:56:35,140 --> 01:56:32,780
and I think crossfire has stood the test

2751
01:56:36,970 --> 01:56:35,150
of time pretty good there's some things

2752
01:56:37,390 --> 01:56:36,980
even the Jim Marrs would probably want

2753
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:37,400
it

2754
01:56:48,970 --> 01:56:45,920
also know that there's a couple of

2755
01:56:50,380 --> 01:56:48,980
really just good Kennedy if you're not

2756
01:56:52,689 --> 01:56:50,390
talking about the assassination but

2757
01:56:54,820 --> 01:56:52,699
about the Kennedy administration there's

2758
01:56:56,850 --> 01:56:54,830
some really good ones I just listened to

2759
01:56:59,020 --> 01:56:56,860
one that I thought was really terrific

2760
01:57:01,060 --> 01:56:59,030
even though it doesn't do much about the

2761
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:01,070
assassination it's Thurston Clark's book

2762
01:57:05,439 --> 01:57:03,199
the last hundred days

2763
01:57:07,630 --> 01:57:05,449
JFK's last hundred days and he does a

2764
01:57:10,660 --> 01:57:07,640
wonderful job of putting you in the mind

2765
01:57:11,979 --> 01:57:10,670
frame of JFK in the last hundred days so

2766
01:57:14,830 --> 01:57:11,989
that you can see what he might have done

2767
01:57:17,229 --> 01:57:14,840
in another thousand days and at the same

2768
01:57:19,330 --> 01:57:17,239
time tells you through those hundred

2769
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:19,340
days what he had done previously it's a

2770
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:21,440
masterful telling I really recommend

2771
01:57:25,209 --> 01:57:23,210
that highly we recommend this highly

2772
01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:25,219
we'll let you listen to it if Jean and

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way my wife commented you have more

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were 20 years old my body has changed

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dramatically I'm a cyclist normally I'll

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ride two days on and take two days off

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muscle tightness and soreness after

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2876
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what might have happened had Kennedy

2877
02:02:07,870 --> 02:02:06,139
survived an assassination attempt but

2878
02:02:10,060 --> 02:02:07,880
there's a lot more of course which is

2879
02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:10,070
all about the Kennedy assassination how

2880
02:02:16,209 --> 02:02:12,290
come we learn more about that my first

2881
02:02:18,399 --> 02:02:16,219
exposure into those mysteries was

2882
02:02:21,010 --> 02:02:18,409
listening to a series of lectures from

2883
02:02:23,830 --> 02:02:21,020
Mark Lane then of course I read the book

2884
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:23,840
that he wrote rush to judgment because I

2885
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:26,210
remember how much detail he spent

2886
02:02:33,069 --> 02:02:31,130
showing how this Italian rifle that Lee

2887
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:33,079
Harvey Oswald allegedly used could not

2888
02:02:39,129 --> 02:02:36,770
possibly accomplish the task we're just

2889
02:02:42,160 --> 02:02:39,139
a piece of crap and he was an average

2890
02:02:45,370 --> 02:02:42,170
marksman how could he possibly do this

2891
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:45,380
but then of course even somebody who's a

2892
02:02:49,959 --> 02:02:47,810
bad baseball player will sometimes hit a

2893
02:02:51,939 --> 02:02:49,969
home run it's interesting that you say

2894
02:02:53,919 --> 02:02:51,949
that gene because in addition to

2895
02:02:57,339 --> 02:02:53,929
everything you just said about that

2896
02:02:59,770 --> 02:02:57,349
rifle and and Mark Lane the first Dallas

2897
02:03:01,930 --> 02:02:59,780
policeman on the scene identified that

2898
02:03:04,870 --> 02:03:01,940
rifle not as a mannlicher-carcano

2899
02:03:07,089 --> 02:03:04,880
Italian piece of crap rifle but as a

2900
02:03:09,879 --> 02:03:07,099
German Mauser right right which was

2901
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:09,889
considerably a better rifle and they

2902
02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:13,250
they basically identified as that stuck

2903
02:03:18,310 --> 02:03:14,960
with that for I think a day or so before

2904
02:03:20,020 --> 02:03:18,320
they were told or before then it was

2905
02:03:22,209 --> 02:03:20,030
announced oh no that was a mistake it

2906
02:03:25,089 --> 02:03:22,219
was the mannlicher-carcano that Lee

2907
02:03:27,490 --> 02:03:25,099
Harvey Oswald had so there's just so

2908
02:03:29,410 --> 02:03:27,500
much detail out there mark lenin you're

2909
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:29,420
right did a great job of that i think

2910
02:03:34,270 --> 02:03:32,090
again it's almost interesting if you

2911
02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:34,280
were to take all of mark lanes books and

2912
02:03:41,620 --> 02:03:38,510
then give them to someone who is just a

2913
02:03:43,930 --> 02:03:41,630
terrific writer and say turn them all

2914
02:03:46,030 --> 02:03:43,940
into one book and weave it into a great

2915
02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:46,040
story i would like to read that book

2916
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:48,050
sometimes mark lane goes a little

2917
02:03:51,819 --> 02:03:50,090
off-topic and kind of as his own

2918
02:03:53,830 --> 02:03:51,829
personal story in irrelevant into it

2919
02:03:55,720 --> 02:03:53,840
he's done such incredible

2920
02:03:57,460 --> 02:03:55,730
research just to see that laid out I

2921
02:04:00,160 --> 02:03:57,470
guess that's why I'm fond of crossfire

2922
02:04:01,630 --> 02:04:00,170
because it it is Jim Marrs trying to get

2923
02:04:03,820 --> 02:04:01,640
out of the way and tell the story of

2924
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:03,830
what other researchers and have thought

2925
02:04:08,740 --> 02:04:07,010
now just to be brief about it from what

2926
02:04:11,170 --> 02:04:08,750
I'm determining here mark Lane is still

2927
02:04:13,180 --> 02:04:11,180
around yes he is in fact I've just

2928
02:04:15,820 --> 02:04:13,190
finished reading his latest book which

2929
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:15,830
is called last word the indictment of

2930
02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:18,890
the CIA and the murder of JFK which is a

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good book but again it's kind of Mark

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02:04:25,390 --> 02:04:22,760
Lane telling his story of fighting the

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CIA it's a nothing it's not important it

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02:04:29,650 --> 02:04:27,890
is important to think that people in the

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CIA are still messing with Mark Lane I

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think that's a reasonable thing but most

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people aren't going to have that much

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time to fall in the rabbit hole like

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I've done and read so many different

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books most people are gonna want you

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know to get it a little faster than that

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because there's so much nuance you could

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read and many people have has spent

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their entire life reading I've certainly

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spent at least the last 15 years reading

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02:04:58,510 --> 02:04:55,610
and and I have a friend who has

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02:05:01,330 --> 02:04:58,520
literally read cover to cover 500 books

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02:05:03,430 --> 02:05:01,340
many of them multiple times this friend

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02:05:07,480 --> 02:05:03,440
of mine his name's Don Clark and Don is

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02:05:10,050 --> 02:05:07,490
a former anchorman and and he's he's

2951
02:05:12,580 --> 02:05:10,060
come to the conclusion that it was LBJ

2952
02:05:15,430 --> 02:05:12,590
will never end that discussion let's go

2953
02:05:20,650 --> 02:05:15,440
to that other discussion there JFK and

2954
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:20,660
UFOs well another rabbit hole let's back

2955
02:05:26,530 --> 02:05:24,410
up to dark skies the co-creation of it

2956
02:05:29,140 --> 02:05:26,540
with Brent Friedman nineteen ninety four

2957
02:05:32,050 --> 02:05:29,150
and five we started working on it and

2958
02:05:34,660 --> 02:05:32,060
Brent and I I had been reading about

2959
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:34,670
UFOs and I had been reading about JFK

2960
02:05:39,220 --> 02:05:37,370
but casually and Brent and I were saying

2961
02:05:41,470 --> 02:05:39,230
well let's create a TV series what would

2962
02:05:43,900 --> 02:05:41,480
be a good TV series I was coming off the

2963
02:05:45,130 --> 02:05:43,910
Fox television series mantis which was

2964
02:05:48,340 --> 02:05:45,140
about the first African American

2965
02:05:51,130 --> 02:05:48,350
superhero by the way that person the

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02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:51,140
actor who played in that role he later

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02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:53,690
was featured on the TV series alias yes

2968
02:05:57,400 --> 02:05:55,760
Carl Laemmle great after what's happened

2969
02:05:59,440 --> 02:05:57,410
to him I haven't heard much from in late

2970
02:06:01,720 --> 02:05:59,450
I don't know I saw him when I was

2971
02:06:03,490 --> 02:06:01,730
running the TV Academy a few years to go

2972
02:06:05,710 --> 02:06:03,500
we ran into each other in an event I

2973
02:06:06,970 --> 02:06:05,720
think for alias and sort of caught up

2974
02:06:09,070 --> 02:06:06,980
but III honestly

2975
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:09,080
don't know he's a great guy now Carl

2976
02:06:14,020 --> 02:06:10,970
Laemmle played this character in mantis

2977
02:06:15,670 --> 02:06:14,030
where he was wheelchair ridden yes he

2978
02:06:17,860 --> 02:06:15,680
wasn't when he became this character

2979
02:06:19,690 --> 02:06:17,870
what I thought was more complex and

2980
02:06:22,840 --> 02:06:19,700
interesting about it was that here is a

2981
02:06:24,850 --> 02:06:22,850
scientist who is in a wheelchair what

2982
02:06:26,380 --> 02:06:24,860
does he wanted to do he wants to walk he

2983
02:06:29,260 --> 02:06:26,390
doesn't want to be a superhero he wants

2984
02:06:32,620 --> 02:06:29,270
to walk so he creates an exoskeleton so

2985
02:06:35,229 --> 02:06:32,630
he can walk and while he's out using his

2986
02:06:38,170 --> 02:06:35,239
exoskeleton people see it and it's weird

2987
02:06:41,130 --> 02:06:38,180
enough that he gets invested with their

2988
02:06:44,260 --> 02:06:41,140
issues of superhero them and sort of

2989
02:06:45,490 --> 02:06:44,270
gets that idea from the people who have

2990
02:06:45,970 --> 02:06:45,500
witnessed him so I thought it was kind

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02:06:48,010 --> 02:06:45,980
of fun

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02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:48,020
so bran and I were sitting around going

2993
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:49,970
alright well enough of superheroes and

2994
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:51,650
all that what can we do that that would

2995
02:06:58,650 --> 02:06:55,070
be kind of a groundbreaking and what we

2996
02:07:02,560 --> 02:06:58,660
came up with was let's take the greatest

2997
02:07:04,180 --> 02:07:02,570
conspiracies of the 20th century and put

2998
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:04,190
him in an atom collider and see what

2999
02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:07,970
happens so we took JFK and we took UFOs

3000
02:07:12,370 --> 02:07:10,130
and we stuck him in that atom collider

3001
02:07:15,400 --> 02:07:12,380
and what we came up with was the TV

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02:07:17,979 --> 02:07:15,410
series set in the 1960s where John

3003
02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:17,989
Kennedy is assassinated because he was

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02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:19,730
going to tell the truth about UFOs in

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02:07:25,420 --> 02:07:22,970
his second term we came up with that

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02:07:27,250 --> 02:07:25,430
based on only that that's why we came up

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02:07:28,930 --> 02:07:27,260
with it we didn't read anything that

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02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:28,940
said that John Kennedy knew anything

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02:07:33,580 --> 02:07:31,760
about UFOs the internet wasn't very

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02:07:35,530 --> 02:07:33,590
vibrant at that point there was no place

3011
02:07:37,900 --> 02:07:35,540
where we were gonna be exposed to that

3012
02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:37,910
we hadn't read it in any books we just

3013
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:40,370
came up with it because we said it makes

3014
02:07:45,670 --> 02:07:42,290
for a great dramatic story lion

3015
02:07:49,120 --> 02:07:45,680
why not now flash forward to today if

3016
02:07:51,370 --> 02:07:49,130
you search JFK and UFOs you can find

3017
02:07:53,500 --> 02:07:51,380
lots of articles where it's implied that

3018
02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:53,510
he knew something about it and where he

3019
02:07:59,260 --> 02:07:55,610
may have told Marilyn Monroe about it

3020
02:08:03,610 --> 02:07:59,270
and where he was sending memos to NASA

3021
02:08:06,130 --> 02:08:03,620
about it and that kind of thing oh what

3022
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:06,140
the truth of it is I don't really know

3023
02:08:08,950 --> 02:08:06,800
and I don't

3024
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:08,960
I think it's obscuring kits obscure but

3025
02:08:14,440 --> 02:08:11,450
I will say this I do believe that

3026
02:08:17,010 --> 02:08:14,450
Roswell is a true event and it was some

3027
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:17,020
kind of extraterrestrial connection and

3028
02:08:20,860 --> 02:08:19,280
there were people who were covering it

3029
02:08:23,950 --> 02:08:20,870
up if it was a true of the

3030
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:23,960
then each successive president would

3031
02:08:26,890 --> 02:08:26,000
have some relationship to that truth I

3032
02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:26,900
think clearly

3033
02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:28,730
Truman knew all about it because he was

3034
02:08:34,630 --> 02:08:31,360
the guy that instituted the cover-up

3035
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:34,640
Eisenhower being a military hero would

3036
02:08:41,290 --> 02:08:37,840
have known all about it because of d-day

3037
02:08:43,810 --> 02:08:41,300
and he got briefed apparently on it the

3038
02:08:45,970 --> 02:08:43,820
reason we chose Kennedy was because of

3039
02:08:47,500 --> 02:08:45,980
the conspiracy theory but the storyline

3040
02:08:50,500 --> 02:08:47,510
revealed this up because we thought

3041
02:08:53,860 --> 02:08:50,510
here's young John Kennedy he is not

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02:08:56,290 --> 02:08:53,870
proven and Ike to have to deal with what

3043
02:08:58,210 --> 02:08:56,300
might be a UFO secret and the people who

3044
02:09:01,000 --> 02:08:58,220
had it would certainly not trust him

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with it and so therefore if he came in

3046
02:09:05,050 --> 02:09:02,810
into possession of that knowledge it

3047
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would put him at odds with the people

3048
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:06,590
who are keeping it secret so that's

3049
02:09:11,140 --> 02:09:08,930
that's my storyline I have no idea

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beyond maybe what you know about it I

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know Richard Dolan who I wrote ad after

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disclosure with thinks that there is a

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legitimate strong connection

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well the question would be then as we

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get to each successive generation of

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presidents whether they know less and

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02:09:28,060 --> 02:09:26,060
less of what went on until they reach a

3058
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point where maybe they know nothing and

3059
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that might be the last few presidents

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Dolan and I when we're writing ad we

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would literally you know talk on the

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phone every day for six months and about

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various things it was one of the

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greatest intellectual pursuits I've ever

3065
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done I really enjoyed it here's how we

3066
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lay that we've already discussed through

3067
02:09:50,410 --> 02:09:47,870
Kennedy Johnson Richard believes had no

3068
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real interest in this but the Alette

3069
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Hubert Humphrey sort of take the

3070
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briefings if you will and never really

3071
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you know obviously was too connected to

3072
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it Richard Nixon there is that that

3073
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story with about him and Jackie Gleason

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02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:04,400
showing Jackie Gleason the bodies is

3075
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pretty well sourced so Nixon would

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certainly be somebody that the power

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brokers of the US military would sort of

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trust with such a thing so I think it he

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probably knew about it

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Nixon was the kind of person who wanted

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his fingers into everything yeah we have

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3193
02:15:03,260 --> 02:15:01,100
on the para cast with Gina and Chris

3194
02:15:05,780 --> 02:15:03,270
we're talking to Bryce Abel we started

3195
02:15:07,610 --> 02:15:05,790
out with a discussion about his book

3196
02:15:10,430 --> 02:15:07,620
which I'm looking at right now in the

3197
02:15:12,530 --> 02:15:10,440
iBooks version on a Mac running maverick

3198
02:15:14,419 --> 02:15:12,540
surrounded by enemies and I know the

3199
02:15:16,280 --> 02:15:14,429
answers to all the things that you can't

3200
02:15:19,610 --> 02:15:16,290
find out unless you read the book I know

3201
02:15:22,250 --> 02:15:19,620
the secret you do by the way did you

3202
02:15:24,200 --> 02:15:22,260
enjoy seeing those magazine covers I

3203
02:15:25,820 --> 02:15:24,210
think that the artwork is done very well

3204
02:15:27,140 --> 02:15:25,830
there's not a lot of artwork in the book

3205
02:15:29,419 --> 02:15:27,150
but if you kind of scroll through it

3206
02:15:31,729 --> 02:15:29,429
well there's those five magazine covers

3207
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:31,739
and there's one here called top story

3208
02:15:37,610 --> 02:15:35,010
The Secret Life of the president yeah

3209
02:15:39,410 --> 02:15:37,620
from June 1965 so I can imagine those

3210
02:15:41,390 --> 02:15:39,420
things being written Chris you have some

3211
02:15:42,740 --> 02:15:41,400
more questions for us we've got a bunch

3212
02:15:44,300 --> 02:15:42,750
I don't think we're gonna be able to get

3213
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:44,310
to them all but but I like this one

3214
02:15:49,160 --> 02:15:47,010
being that you're with your experience

3215
02:15:50,720 --> 02:15:49,170
in Hollywood could you see this is there

3216
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:50,730
a chance that this could be made into a

3217
02:15:56,300 --> 02:15:53,730
movie and technomage T wants to know if

3218
02:15:58,870 --> 02:15:56,310
so who would you play to pick who would

3219
02:16:02,450 --> 02:15:58,880
you pick to play JFK RFK and LBJ

3220
02:16:04,100 --> 02:16:02,460
obviously I think Dennett Randy Quaid

3221
02:16:07,310 --> 02:16:04,110
has already done a fairly good job

3222
02:16:08,930 --> 02:16:07,320
playing J so you'd be my pick but who

3223
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:08,940
would play the Kennedy brothers well

3224
02:16:12,260 --> 02:16:10,800
let's answer the first question what's

3225
02:16:14,479 --> 02:16:12,270
the chance of it being made into a movie

3226
02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:14,489
if I wanted it to be made into a movie I

3227
02:16:18,350 --> 02:16:16,290
guess I should have written it in 2011

3228
02:16:20,570 --> 02:16:18,360
and had it be on the New York Times

3229
02:16:23,450 --> 02:16:20,580
bestseller list or something because the

3230
02:16:25,550 --> 02:16:23,460
time frame of getting it made obviously

3231
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:25,560
what you're gonna see a lot of stuff

3232
02:16:29,930 --> 02:16:28,170
between now and November 22nd and then

3233
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:29,940
the air is kind of out of the balloon

3234
02:16:33,850 --> 02:16:32,010
for a while so I don't think it'll be

3235
02:16:36,919 --> 02:16:33,860
made into a movie anytime soon although

3236
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:36,929
it is getting a lot of great reviews

3237
02:16:42,560 --> 02:16:39,599
like you go to Amazon people really seem

3238
02:16:44,750 --> 02:16:42,570
to like it so it's possible that we may

3239
02:16:47,270 --> 02:16:44,760
find that Avenue but it would be in a

3240
02:16:50,750 --> 02:16:47,280
few years who should play it you know I

3241
02:16:53,330 --> 02:16:50,760
I say you get the best person at the

3242
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:53,340
time and so it really depends on what

3243
02:16:56,570 --> 02:16:54,719
that time is but I'll tell you right now

3244
02:16:59,000 --> 02:16:56,580
I didn't particularly love the

3245
02:17:00,860 --> 02:16:59,010
miniseries that I was pretty cheesy but

3246
02:17:02,509 --> 02:17:00,870
I thought and I'm blanking his name

3247
02:17:04,580 --> 02:17:02,519
right now the actor who played JFK and

3248
02:17:07,370 --> 02:17:04,590
the Kennedys oh my god

3249
02:17:09,669 --> 02:17:07,380
can you guys help me out here um I can't

3250
02:17:13,209 --> 02:17:09,679
I know there's one William with

3251
02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:13,219
you know Kennedy years ago I know I I

3252
02:17:18,219 --> 02:17:15,529
never thought they suggested him as well

3253
02:17:20,589 --> 02:17:18,229
as well they he's the man from Little

3254
02:17:22,809 --> 02:17:20,599
Miss know the Bruce green woods in 13

3255
02:17:24,939 --> 02:17:22,819
days he's good the actor from Little

3256
02:17:26,740 --> 02:17:24,949
Miss Sunshine Eleanor Coons in Little

3257
02:17:29,589 --> 02:17:26,750
Miss Sunshine yeah but I'm talking about

3258
02:17:32,589 --> 02:17:29,599
the dad anyway that's who plays him in

3259
02:17:34,959 --> 02:17:32,599
the Kennedys he suggests him the best I

3260
02:17:39,070 --> 02:17:34,969
I don't know I you know Randy Quaid did

3261
02:17:41,650 --> 02:17:39,080
a fine job I know we we cast that Robert

3262
02:17:42,459 --> 02:17:41,660
Kennedy was a central character for us

3263
02:17:44,769 --> 02:17:42,469
in dark skies

3264
02:17:47,919 --> 02:17:44,779
but again the actor who played him in

3265
02:17:51,219 --> 02:17:47,929
dark skies would no longer be acceptable

3266
02:17:53,679 --> 02:17:51,229
because he's too old Bobby Kennedy you

3267
02:17:56,889 --> 02:17:53,689
know wasn't even 40 so you got to have a

3268
02:18:00,599 --> 02:17:56,899
younger actor and JFK was only 46 I know

3269
02:18:04,089 --> 02:18:00,609
that Rob Lowe is gonna be playing JFK in

3270
02:18:06,009 --> 02:18:04,099
the adaptation of Bill O'Reilly book

3271
02:18:08,830 --> 02:18:06,019
killing Kennedy you mean the book that

3272
02:18:11,500 --> 02:18:08,840
was written for Bill O'Reilly yeah and

3273
02:18:14,290 --> 02:18:11,510
also what's with Bill O'Reilly becoming

3274
02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:14,300
an apologist for the the Oswald acted

3275
02:18:16,990 --> 02:18:15,170
alone

3276
02:18:20,919 --> 02:18:17,000
a Warren Commission I don't understand

3277
02:18:23,530 --> 02:18:20,929
that I I don't I don't I really don't

3278
02:18:25,150 --> 02:18:23,540
understand that I mean bill reilly ought

3279
02:18:27,309 --> 02:18:25,160
to be smart enough to know that it

3280
02:18:28,120 --> 02:18:27,319
wasn't oswald acting alone but there you

3281
02:18:30,099 --> 02:18:28,130
go

3282
02:18:31,870 --> 02:18:30,109
but anyway so what I would love to well

3283
02:18:34,179 --> 02:18:31,880
you understand if Bill O'Reilly wrote

3284
02:18:35,849 --> 02:18:34,189
his own books I would worry about it but

3285
02:18:40,209 --> 02:18:35,859
maybe not

3286
02:18:42,759 --> 02:18:40,219
well that's true but he had a co-author

3287
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:42,769
and he's made kind of a cottage industry

3288
02:18:47,049 --> 02:18:45,170
hasn't he out of but he's done killing

3289
02:18:49,330 --> 02:18:47,059
Kennedy killing Lincoln and now killing

3290
02:18:51,429 --> 02:18:49,340
Jesus this is it I just hope he doesn't

3291
02:18:53,290 --> 02:18:51,439
decide to write about me that's all I

3292
02:18:56,129 --> 02:18:53,300
can say I just wonder whether he will

3293
02:18:58,209 --> 02:18:56,139
actually write a real book himself I

3294
02:19:01,000 --> 02:18:58,219
mean he does what

3295
02:19:02,589 --> 02:19:01,010
obviously Glenn Beck does they have

3296
02:19:04,089 --> 02:19:02,599
people write the books under their name

3297
02:19:05,950 --> 02:19:04,099
because he hasn't have time he's doing

3298
02:19:07,450 --> 02:19:05,960
the TV show every day and he's doing all

3299
02:19:10,089 --> 02:19:07,460
the sudden I've got the name it's Greg

3300
02:19:12,900 --> 02:19:10,099
Kinnear I'm it was just on the tip of my

3301
02:19:16,870 --> 02:19:12,910
tongue there Greg Kinnear there's a

3302
02:19:20,530 --> 02:19:16,880
veneer yeah actually there are there are

3303
02:19:23,230 --> 02:19:20,540
angles in the Kennedys where he looks

3304
02:19:25,480 --> 02:19:23,240
like JFK I do not think Rob Lowe

3305
02:19:27,340 --> 02:19:25,490
it's gonna look like JFK you know right

3306
02:19:29,590 --> 02:19:27,350
to near is getting a little older now

3307
02:19:31,210 --> 02:19:29,600
he's in his fifties isn't he yeah but he

3308
02:19:33,370 --> 02:19:31,220
looks just right in this thing I mean

3309
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:33,380
you know maybe the voice isn't and I

3310
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:34,610
don't think people should try to do a

3311
02:19:40,770 --> 02:19:37,850
knockout impersonation that they should

3312
02:19:44,260 --> 02:19:40,780
try to do something that is suggestive

3313
02:19:46,090 --> 02:19:44,270
but but I think he did a great job and

3314
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:46,100
and you know what the actor who will

3315
02:19:49,690 --> 02:19:47,930
probably get the job if they ever make

3316
02:19:50,980 --> 02:19:49,700
surrounded by enemies into a movie as

3317
02:19:52,841 --> 02:19:50,990
someone that we're not thinking of right

3318
02:19:54,850 --> 02:19:52,851
now that's tends to be my experience

3319
02:19:56,500 --> 02:19:54,860
with casting you have an idea well I'd

3320
02:19:57,580 --> 02:19:56,510
really like this person then you find

3321
02:19:59,591 --> 02:19:57,590
out they're not available

3322
02:20:01,390 --> 02:19:59,601
or they want you know so much money that

3323
02:20:03,490 --> 02:20:01,400
you can't afford to pay them or whatever

3324
02:20:05,020 --> 02:20:03,500
it is and then you end up finding the

3325
02:20:07,780 --> 02:20:05,030
perfect person because you look a little

3326
02:20:09,761 --> 02:20:07,790
harder and and frankly I think my

3327
02:20:12,310 --> 02:20:09,771
tendency if I was casting a Kennedy

3328
02:20:14,110 --> 02:20:12,320
movie right now would be to not cast the

3329
02:20:15,761 --> 02:20:14,120
rob blowes of the world because they

3330
02:20:18,220 --> 02:20:15,771
bring all their baggage into the

3331
02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:18,230
performance as a producer what I would

3332
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:21,290
rather do is find somebody who just dead

3333
02:20:25,810 --> 02:20:23,690
on nails I don't care if you know who he

3334
02:20:28,120 --> 02:20:25,820
is I would just like to make the movie

3335
02:20:30,131 --> 02:20:28,130
with someone you go damn I feel like I

3336
02:20:32,650 --> 02:20:30,141
was watching a documentary on the guy

3337
02:20:34,301 --> 02:20:32,660
quite often you pick somebody who is not

3338
02:20:36,370 --> 02:20:34,311
known like they do with the superhero

3339
02:20:38,470 --> 02:20:36,380
movie so we have this guy Henry Cavill

3340
02:20:41,410 --> 02:20:38,480
playing Superman but that doesn't

3341
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:41,420
explain Ben Affleck as Batman oh well

3342
02:20:49,480 --> 02:20:45,530
Chris well well you need to really

3343
02:20:50,921 --> 02:20:49,490
duplicate the Kennedy accent well you're

3344
02:20:53,801 --> 02:20:50,931
not gonna be in the role I'll tell you

3345
02:20:55,091 --> 02:20:53,811
right now I want to show you this about

3346
02:20:58,421 --> 02:20:55,101
that you know forget it

3347
02:21:00,640 --> 02:20:58,431
I hate Kennedy and we would you always

3348
02:21:03,490 --> 02:21:00,650
wondered there though this guy is so

3349
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:03,500
bright why did he keep the accent he

3350
02:21:09,430 --> 02:21:05,330
could have lost that accent if he wanted

3351
02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:09,440
I think JFK was the that you know he was

3352
02:21:16,060 --> 02:21:13,010
the first television president he was

3353
02:21:18,250 --> 02:21:16,070
very well aware of how he presented

3354
02:21:22,211 --> 02:21:18,260
himself why would he lose an accent

3355
02:21:26,890 --> 02:21:22,221
that's him I mean he he he really nailed

3356
02:21:28,810 --> 02:21:26,900
his own performance he on one land he

3357
02:21:33,131 --> 02:21:28,820
did it in an interesting way I think

3358
02:21:34,780 --> 02:21:33,141
that on one level jf cake was perfect at

3359
02:21:36,370 --> 02:21:34,790
being himself he was comfortable in his

3360
02:21:36,950 --> 02:21:36,380
own skin and he's perfect to being

3361
02:21:39,800 --> 02:21:36,960
himself

3362
02:21:42,200 --> 02:21:39,810
so he had that and at the same time he

3363
02:21:45,110 --> 02:21:42,210
also understood that he was in a role

3364
02:21:48,170 --> 02:21:45,120
and he also played that role perfectly

3365
02:21:51,229 --> 02:21:48,180
that's true if anybody really gets a

3366
02:21:54,439 --> 02:21:51,239
high position politics there's a lot of

3367
02:21:57,469 --> 02:21:54,449
theater there a lot of theater but when

3368
02:22:01,040 --> 02:21:57,479
you when you emerge authenticity into

3369
02:22:03,260 --> 02:22:01,050
the theater as JFK so seamlessly did you

3370
02:22:06,979 --> 02:22:03,270
get something that's magic I have a

3371
02:22:08,780 --> 02:22:06,989
quote I made it up for Sammy Davis jr.

3372
02:22:10,639 --> 02:22:08,790
and surrounded by enemies and he he sang

3373
02:22:12,920 --> 02:22:10,649
about JFK and he goes that's magic tons

3374
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:12,930
magic man and I think that's what JFK

3375
02:22:20,540 --> 02:22:17,040
was okay there you go

3376
02:22:23,689 --> 02:22:20,550
Chris some more questions yes we do

3377
02:22:26,320 --> 02:22:23,699
here's one from Wade Ridsdale formerly

3378
02:22:30,740 --> 02:22:26,330
known as spooky Mulder he's one of our

3379
02:22:32,360 --> 02:22:30,750
2,000th Club members maybe it's an urban

3380
02:22:34,219 --> 02:22:32,370
legend but wasn't one of the things that

3381
02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:34,229
tied Reagan Kennedy and Lincoln together

3382
02:22:38,330 --> 02:22:36,090
for their was their distaste for the

3383
02:22:41,389 --> 02:22:38,340
federal reserve and an inkling to change

3384
02:22:42,910 --> 02:22:41,399
the system and would be with CIA be

3385
02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:42,920
working on their behalf first of all uh

3386
02:22:50,360 --> 02:22:47,010
Wade Lincoln was quite a quite a bit

3387
02:22:53,479 --> 02:22:50,370
before 1913 when I think the Federal

3388
02:22:55,040 --> 02:22:53,489
Reserve was that when was the Federal

3389
02:22:56,420 --> 02:22:55,050
Reserve actually put together anybody no

3390
02:23:00,590 --> 02:22:56,430
I've talked to the head I think it was

3391
02:23:02,479 --> 02:23:00,600
after Lincoln yeah I would think so he's

3392
02:23:03,979 --> 02:23:02,489
saying the timing night might not be

3393
02:23:05,599 --> 02:23:03,989
right but he seems to remember that

3394
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:05,609
Reagan did not want George Herbert

3395
02:23:09,650 --> 02:23:08,250
Walker as he puts it the new world order

3396
02:23:11,630 --> 02:23:09,660
Bush as a running mate

3397
02:23:13,580 --> 02:23:11,640
but the Hinckley family who had ties to

3398
02:23:15,519 --> 02:23:13,590
the Bush family and the CIA saw to it

3399
02:23:19,189 --> 02:23:15,529
that Bush was there to push his agenda

3400
02:23:21,110 --> 02:23:19,199
he says sorry I rambled a bit but he

3401
02:23:22,910 --> 02:23:21,120
just got to thinking that while the CIA

3402
02:23:26,360 --> 02:23:22,920
may have been the triggerman in the hits

3403
02:23:27,469 --> 02:23:26,370
uh was that order coming from higher up

3404
02:23:29,059 --> 02:23:27,479
in other words I think he's talking

3405
02:23:31,370 --> 02:23:29,069
about the federal reserve families and

3406
02:23:33,950 --> 02:23:31,380
you know the banking cabal and in that

3407
02:23:36,139 --> 02:23:33,960
particular slam on the conspiracy that

3408
02:23:39,080 --> 02:23:36,149
that's I guess that's one of the more

3409
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:39,090
obscure conspiracy angles on the JFK

3410
02:23:44,420 --> 02:23:41,520
assassination although you know anything

3411
02:23:46,729 --> 02:23:44,430
is is possible certainly JFK was

3412
02:23:49,160 --> 02:23:46,739
involved in that and certainly that

3413
02:23:50,110 --> 02:23:49,170
would have upset people I tend to think

3414
02:23:52,930 --> 02:23:50,120
that probable

3415
02:23:54,420 --> 02:23:52,940
wasn't the reason for the hit I just

3416
02:23:58,120 --> 02:23:54,430
feel like there were too many other

3417
02:24:00,460 --> 02:23:58,130
people involved in that hit who seemed

3418
02:24:03,540 --> 02:24:00,470
to have knowledge of how to do it that

3419
02:24:06,370 --> 02:24:03,550
that made me feel more like CIA

3420
02:24:08,860 --> 02:24:06,380
involvement and certainly it's not just

3421
02:24:10,570 --> 02:24:08,870
my opinion about what what a CIA it

3422
02:24:12,670 --> 02:24:10,580
looks like it's more like some of the

3423
02:24:14,140 --> 02:24:12,680
personalities of the time seemed to be

3424
02:24:15,910 --> 02:24:14,150
teed up and ready to go

3425
02:24:18,130 --> 02:24:15,920
certainly that's what Mark Lane thinks

3426
02:24:20,320 --> 02:24:18,140
all right there's one more segment left

3427
02:24:30,700 --> 02:24:20,330
with Keenan Chris we're talking to Bryce

3428
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:30,710
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have a new CD coming out next week that

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I really want to talk about it's very

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good I think you'll like it by the way

3539
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can I just put a plug in here just

3540
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because I know people are gonna realize

3541
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that they'd like to know more about it

3542
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there's two places it's surrounded by

3543
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enemies calm but there's another one

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that's got all kinds of great stuff to

3545
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look at you can even look at these

3546
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magazine covers ahead of time if you

3547
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want so it kind of this is something

3548
02:29:37,880 --> 02:29:36,300
that we usually only give the people who

3549
02:29:40,250 --> 02:29:37,890
are reviewing it but I feel a lot

3550
02:29:42,889 --> 02:29:40,260
feeling generous with the listeners here

3551
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it's called what if Kennedy live.com

3552
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what if Kennedy lived calm you can see

3553
02:29:49,880 --> 02:29:47,250
all this stuff we've talked about all

3554
02:29:53,149 --> 02:29:49,890
right Chris any more questions yeah this

3555
02:29:54,500 --> 02:29:53,159
is Jeff Davis I'm not sure what to make

3556
02:29:56,569 --> 02:29:54,510
of this I don't think it's much of a

3557
02:29:58,670 --> 02:29:56,579
question but he he claims JFK did

3558
02:30:02,210 --> 02:29:58,680
survive everyone knows that

3559
02:30:03,969 --> 02:30:02,220
Ossie Davis is actually JFK post the

3560
02:30:06,439 --> 02:30:03,979
skin color change operation of course

3561
02:30:08,269 --> 02:30:06,449
but the only problem is that Ozzie died

3562
02:30:11,750 --> 02:30:08,279
a few years ago so I'm very sorry to

3563
02:30:13,519 --> 02:30:11,760
ruin the show but JFK is is dead now you

3564
02:30:15,620 --> 02:30:13,529
know I don't buy any of that I'm sorry I

3565
02:30:17,660 --> 02:30:15,630
mean that's just I mean it's I don't

3566
02:30:19,550 --> 02:30:17,670
know how about the the Bill Hicks is

3567
02:30:22,010 --> 02:30:19,560
actually Alex Jones

3568
02:30:24,769 --> 02:30:22,020
that's not no no that's I gotta tell you

3569
02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:24,779
even if JFK had lived his health was so

3570
02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:26,810
precarious I don't think he would have

3571
02:30:31,309 --> 02:30:28,890
he certainly wouldn't have lived to a

3572
02:30:33,170 --> 02:30:31,319
ripe old age even if he'd had the nicest

3573
02:30:35,359 --> 02:30:33,180
life around and people hadn't shot at

3574
02:30:37,309 --> 02:30:35,369
him and he wasn't under such stress he

3575
02:30:40,250 --> 02:30:37,319
wouldn't have lived that long so I don't

3576
02:30:41,809 --> 02:30:40,260
I don't think that's an issue yeah but

3577
02:30:44,149 --> 02:30:41,819
you know there's so many fascinating

3578
02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:44,159
possibilities about what might have been

3579
02:30:48,469 --> 02:30:46,890
at Kennedy survived we can go on for

3580
02:30:51,080 --> 02:30:48,479
about a week and not even cover what's

3581
02:30:53,929 --> 02:30:51,090
in the book that's absolutely true I

3582
02:30:55,279 --> 02:30:53,939
mean it's a great parlor game and I

3583
02:30:57,500 --> 02:30:55,289
guess that's the actually why I wrote

3584
02:30:59,630 --> 02:30:57,510
surrounded by enemies it's been a parlor

3585
02:31:01,849 --> 02:30:59,640
game there's been people that have done

3586
02:31:03,649 --> 02:31:01,859
versions of it before but I felt like

3587
02:31:05,809 --> 02:31:03,659
for the fiftieth anniversary it was time

3588
02:31:08,120 --> 02:31:05,819
to really treat that what if with the

3589
02:31:10,939 --> 02:31:08,130
respect it deserves to really break it

3590
02:31:11,841 --> 02:31:10,949
down into the the building blocks and

3591
02:31:14,781 --> 02:31:11,851
pieces

3592
02:31:17,060 --> 02:31:14,791
and ask for real what might have

3593
02:31:19,461 --> 02:31:17,070
happened had he survived at Dallas and

3594
02:31:21,440 --> 02:31:19,471
that's been my goal all along and I hope

3595
02:31:23,360 --> 02:31:21,450
I you know I hope that the people who

3596
02:31:25,581 --> 02:31:23,370
are listening will give it a read and if

3597
02:31:27,411 --> 02:31:25,591
you like it I hope that you'll tell your

3598
02:31:29,480 --> 02:31:27,421
friends about it because this isn't like

3599
02:31:31,761 --> 02:31:29,490
some you know Hollywood screenplay or

3600
02:31:32,900 --> 02:31:31,771
whatever this is where I hope to go sell

3601
02:31:36,051 --> 02:31:32,910
it to somebody this is about

3602
02:31:38,451 --> 02:31:36,061
communicating with people this is trying

3603
02:31:40,610 --> 02:31:38,461
to take a message about JFK and there's

3604
02:31:42,350 --> 02:31:40,620
not a person listening who was alive at

3605
02:31:44,180 --> 02:31:42,360
the time who doesn't have a memory about

3606
02:31:48,140 --> 02:31:44,190
where they were with JFK it's the same

3607
02:31:50,810 --> 02:31:48,150
for that generation as it is for the new

3608
02:31:53,091 --> 02:31:50,820
generation on 9/11 and the same as it

3609
02:31:56,261 --> 02:31:53,101
was for the previous generation on Pearl

3610
02:31:58,940 --> 02:31:56,271
Harbor it's a it's a national touchstone

3611
02:32:03,801 --> 02:31:58,950
enough time has passed that it's our

3612
02:32:07,011 --> 02:32:03,811
right to treat it dramatically that's

3613
02:32:09,440 --> 02:32:07,021
been happening for a while now and and I

3614
02:32:12,680 --> 02:32:09,450
think that the thing is now we realized

3615
02:32:16,940 --> 02:32:12,690
that John Kennedy was a complete person

3616
02:32:19,161 --> 02:32:16,950
he it wasn't just the Camelot character

3617
02:32:21,860 --> 02:32:19,171
that he was portrayed as during his

3618
02:32:24,501 --> 02:32:21,870
presidency and immediately after but he

3619
02:32:27,440 --> 02:32:24,511
was a pretty nuanced guy he was a man's

3620
02:32:29,810 --> 02:32:27,450
man but he appealed the women he just

3621
02:32:33,020 --> 02:32:29,820
had it all he had looks he had power he

3622
02:32:35,150 --> 02:32:33,030
had money he had authenticity and he had

3623
02:32:37,761 --> 02:32:35,160
secrets and I think the secrets are

3624
02:32:43,821 --> 02:32:37,771
where the drama lies but will we ever

3625
02:32:46,190 --> 02:32:43,831
learn the truth I'm gonna say not a

3626
02:32:47,781 --> 02:32:46,200
hundred percent of the truth I don't

3627
02:32:50,060 --> 02:32:47,791
think there's this if you think if you

3628
02:32:53,031 --> 02:32:50,070
ask if the essence of that question is

3629
02:32:55,821 --> 02:32:53,041
is there some memo that it's a smoking

3630
02:32:57,801 --> 02:32:55,831
gun that's gonna be brought out I don't

3631
02:32:59,541 --> 02:32:57,811
think so I think it would long since

3632
02:33:01,220 --> 02:32:59,551
been destroyed if it existed I doubt

3633
02:33:04,190 --> 02:33:01,230
that it ever existed that's not al you

3634
02:33:06,081 --> 02:33:04,200
assassinate a president and is it gonna

3635
02:33:08,841 --> 02:33:06,091
be someone on their deathbed who comes

3636
02:33:11,180 --> 02:33:08,851
forward no those are pretty much all all

3637
02:33:13,041 --> 02:33:11,190
gun behind now and it hasn't really

3638
02:33:14,801 --> 02:33:13,051
happened and even if somebody on their

3639
02:33:17,001 --> 02:33:14,811
deathbed claimed to have been

3640
02:33:18,860 --> 02:33:17,011
knowledgeable about the inside of the

3641
02:33:20,871 --> 02:33:18,870
Kennedy yet I don't think we'd

3642
02:33:23,961 --> 02:33:20,881
necessarily believe them in fact a very

3643
02:33:25,801 --> 02:33:23,971
quick story but a few years ago I was

3644
02:33:28,140 --> 02:33:25,811
given an unpublished man

3645
02:33:30,480 --> 02:33:28,150
script by a guy who claimed to be one of

3646
02:33:33,661 --> 02:33:30,490
the hitmen for Kennedy the Kennedy hit

3647
02:33:36,650 --> 02:33:33,671
rather and we met with the guy and we

3648
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:36,660
read his manuscript very detailed etc

3649
02:33:43,230 --> 02:33:40,570
lots of facts that were corroborated etc

3650
02:33:45,511 --> 02:33:43,240
do I think he was one of the assassins

3651
02:33:48,331 --> 02:33:45,521
no I don't i alt omit

3652
02:33:51,480 --> 02:33:48,341
he's just a guy who had a really

3653
02:33:54,631 --> 02:33:51,490
important job probably worked for people

3654
02:33:57,150 --> 02:33:54,641
in the CIA or wasn't the CIA but he in

3655
02:33:59,341 --> 02:33:57,160
his old age has brought all these

3656
02:34:02,310 --> 02:33:59,351
threads together with his own knowledge

3657
02:34:05,451 --> 02:34:02,320
and is trying to pass it off in some

3658
02:34:07,711 --> 02:34:05,461
kind of bid for immortality or for

3659
02:34:09,751 --> 02:34:07,721
financial gain if I would turn it into a

3660
02:34:11,850 --> 02:34:09,761
movie and I ultimately just said it's

3661
02:34:13,831 --> 02:34:11,860
it's not the real thing I also wonder

3662
02:34:17,161 --> 02:34:13,841
about the reaction of the public if it

3663
02:34:20,011 --> 02:34:17,171
was revealed that LBJ possibly killed

3664
02:34:23,190 --> 02:34:20,021
JFK if it was revealed for example at

3665
02:34:24,871 --> 02:34:23,200
the CIA how could they even reveal these

3666
02:34:27,661 --> 02:34:24,881
things without causing all sorts of

3667
02:34:29,281 --> 02:34:27,671
strange after-effects you're right they

3668
02:34:31,801 --> 02:34:29,291
can't really but yeah it's interesting

3669
02:34:34,381 --> 02:34:31,811
I've written two books the first one AD

3670
02:34:37,261 --> 02:34:34,391
after disclosure was about what happens

3671
02:34:39,360 --> 02:34:37,271
to the world after we acknowledge that

3672
02:34:41,970 --> 02:34:39,370
UFOs are real and the second one

3673
02:34:45,060 --> 02:34:41,980
surrounded by enemies about what what if

3674
02:34:47,701 --> 02:34:45,070
Kennedy survived Dallas I look at these

3675
02:34:50,310 --> 02:34:47,711
very different if if we suddenly found

3676
02:34:52,621 --> 02:34:50,320
out the truth about JFK that it was

3677
02:34:56,820 --> 02:34:52,631
Lyndon Johnson who ordered the hip with

3678
02:34:58,411 --> 02:34:56,830
the CIA we would still go hmm well LBJ

3679
02:35:01,440 --> 02:34:58,421
is long dead sounds like the guy wasn't

3680
02:35:03,421 --> 02:35:01,450
such a great guy the CIA well we never

3681
02:35:06,331 --> 02:35:03,431
trusted them anyway whatever I think it

3682
02:35:09,511 --> 02:35:06,341
would it would be accepted into the body

3683
02:35:13,011 --> 02:35:09,521
politic without a tremendous amount of

3684
02:35:15,781 --> 02:35:13,021
effort I look at the extra-terrestrial

3685
02:35:17,551 --> 02:35:15,791
disclosure as a as a different kind of

3686
02:35:19,621 --> 02:35:17,561
thing because it's a game-changer it's

3687
02:35:22,110 --> 02:35:19,631
not about the cover-up then it's about

3688
02:35:24,781 --> 02:35:22,120
like well what does this mean you know

3689
02:35:26,551 --> 02:35:24,791
what would it mean if if read

3690
02:35:28,890 --> 02:35:26,561
acknowledged that UFOs were real that

3691
02:35:30,810 --> 02:35:28,900
would change society if we acknowledge

3692
02:35:33,451 --> 02:35:30,820
that the CIA for example might have been

3693
02:35:36,961 --> 02:35:33,461
involved in the Kennedy assassination at

3694
02:35:39,480 --> 02:35:36,971
best it would lead to some hearings

3695
02:35:41,671 --> 02:35:39,490
about reforming the CIA but this

3696
02:35:44,040 --> 02:35:41,681
people who testified would all say well

3697
02:35:45,570 --> 02:35:44,050
that was a long long time ago and that

3698
02:35:47,970 --> 02:35:45,580
doesn't happen anymore and those people

3699
02:35:50,461 --> 02:35:47,980
were really elements anyway so it

3700
02:35:54,350 --> 02:35:50,471
wouldn't have the same impact besides

3701
02:35:58,200 --> 02:35:54,360
they're either retired or dead yes so

3702
02:36:00,180 --> 02:35:58,210
it's it's it's like it would it's I

3703
02:36:03,540 --> 02:36:00,190
think it's valuable information I do

3704
02:36:05,820 --> 02:36:03,550
believe that we as a society deserve to

3705
02:36:09,150 --> 02:36:05,830
know exactly what happened with JFK I

3706
02:36:12,030 --> 02:36:09,160
wish that we could have known we should

3707
02:36:15,030 --> 02:36:12,040
definitely have known but we don't we we

3708
02:36:18,890 --> 02:36:15,040
know that it was a dark deed and I

3709
02:36:22,230 --> 02:36:18,900
believe we know that powerful forces

3710
02:36:24,570 --> 02:36:22,240
conspired to bring it about but we don't

3711
02:36:28,620 --> 02:36:24,580
know the details of exactly how those

3712
02:36:30,780 --> 02:36:28,630
forces did it we don't know the names we

3713
02:36:33,120 --> 02:36:30,790
don't know the details and we probably

3714
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never will know the details yeah I

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02:36:37,980 --> 02:36:35,471
remember where I was I was six years old

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and I remember that day and being bummed

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for days afterwards because with no

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cartoons on TV and all they had was

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these sombre looking people on parade

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routes and commentary I mean that's the

3721
02:36:52,770 --> 02:36:50,021
kind of stories we had I remember that

3722
02:36:56,461 --> 02:36:52,780
we had a really mean teacher in grade

3723
02:36:59,011 --> 02:36:56,471
school and that that told me one always

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02:37:01,171 --> 02:36:59,021
made this eat our vegetables at noon but

3725
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:01,181
when we came into the cafeteria that day

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02:37:08,070 --> 02:37:05,050
the TV was on and Kennedy had just died

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02:37:10,230 --> 02:37:08,080
and we all sat at our table they hadn't

3728
02:37:12,421 --> 02:37:10,240
sent us home yet and the teacher cried

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02:37:14,490 --> 02:37:12,431
at the table and we sat there at the

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02:37:15,421 --> 02:37:14,500
table and didn't know what to do and we

3731
02:37:17,610 --> 02:37:15,431
weren't fortunate eat our vegetables

3732
02:37:19,560 --> 02:37:17,620
that day and then they sent us home and

3733
02:37:22,350 --> 02:37:19,570
we watched TV all weekend with our

3734
02:37:24,540 --> 02:37:22,360
parents and I watched my parents who I

3735
02:37:25,020 --> 02:37:24,550
had never seen cry before I watched them

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02:37:28,440 --> 02:37:25,030
cry

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02:37:31,320 --> 02:37:28,450
no that was a sad day yeah I remember

3738
02:37:32,790 --> 02:37:31,330
riding my bicycle home and I wasn't

3739
02:37:35,160 --> 02:37:32,800
watching TV I didn't know anything about

3740
02:37:37,770 --> 02:37:35,170
what was going on and my dad comes home

3741
02:37:39,631 --> 02:37:37,780
from work and he says turn on the TV did

3742
02:37:41,820 --> 02:37:39,641
you know the president was shot let's

3743
02:37:43,650 --> 02:37:41,830
just leave it there Bryce Abel where can

3744
02:37:46,320 --> 02:37:43,660
we find more about the things you do

3745
02:37:48,540 --> 02:37:46,330
well listen I I have a my own personal

3746
02:37:52,350 --> 02:37:48,550
website Bryce Abel calm my name is Ken

3747
02:37:53,400 --> 02:37:52,360
spelled weird b ry c e za b e al price

3748
02:37:54,960 --> 02:37:53,410
label calm

3749
02:37:59,551 --> 02:37:54,970
the book is it surrounded by enemies

3750
02:38:02,761 --> 02:37:59,561
calm and a special Hera cast URL is what

3751
02:38:04,860 --> 02:38:02,771
if Kennedy live.com so I welcome people

3752
02:38:07,140 --> 02:38:04,870
reading it I hope they'll interact with

3753
02:38:09,540 --> 02:38:07,150
it if they like it I hope you'll leave a

3754
02:38:12,270 --> 02:38:09,550
comment on Amazon and I thank you guys

3755
02:38:14,370 --> 02:38:12,280
for putting me on para cast it's it's so

3756
02:38:16,440 --> 02:38:14,380
fun to talk about this with people that

3757
02:38:18,030 --> 02:38:16,450
know the things that you guys know and

3758
02:38:18,210 --> 02:38:18,040
it's been great so I appreciate it thank

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02:38:25,230 --> 02:38:18,220
you

3760
02:38:27,301 --> 02:38:25,240
stuff at our strange planet calm our

3761
02:38:27,780 --> 02:38:27,311
strange planet calm in the very near

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02:38:30,210 --> 02:38:27,790
future

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02:38:32,250 --> 02:38:30,220
his new book stalking the herd from an

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02:38:34,860 --> 02:38:32,260
Adventures unlimited press will appear

3765
02:38:37,860 --> 02:38:34,870
you can find us on Twitter where we are

3766
02:38:39,841 --> 02:38:37,870
known as the para Cass we are the para

3767
02:38:42,750 --> 02:38:39,851
Cass on Twitter cuz what else could we

3768
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:42,760
be or go to the para cast comm to check

3769
02:38:47,131 --> 02:38:45,040
out the work Bryce Abel thanks for

3770
02:38:48,990 --> 02:38:47,141
joining us on the para cast catch you

3771
02:38:55,990 --> 02:38:49,000
guys later thanks again everybody bye

3772
02:39:02,420 --> 02:38:59,510
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3773
02:39:05,380 --> 02:39:02,430
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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02:39:09,139 --> 02:39:05,390
presentation of making the impossible